NSB myth is that all the past ATGs fought everyone and its not the case at all

[dc3383]

Please, be honest with yourself. Floyd was written all over your posts. You can't hide that you were thinking about your hero Floyd.


I watched Ali fight. He called out everybody. Did he fight everybody? You can't but he fought who people thought that he had to fight to be called the greatest. Some of those fights, he was heavily the underdog and some he had no chance ..... but he took them and was calling out for them, win or lose.

Some don't want to go Ali's route and state so. That is OK but then don't come back and say that you are the best because you are not. All you did was beat fighters that people expected you to win. Big deal! I can name you many fighters that had an "0" on their record up until they stepped it up and faced competition that made them no longer the favorite.

Name somebody who said fighter would be a underdog against in the two weight classes he fights in just one?

[Showtime..]

By that logic, nobody will ever remember who Ortiz, Guerrero, Maidana, supposedly Khan, Corrales, Baldomir, Judah, Hernandez, Chavez were in 20+ years from Mayweathers resume.

They'll only remember the guys who achieved a semblance of what they have achieved: old mosley, old ODLH, Hatton, JMM, possibly Canelo, Cotto, & Castillo.

As for Pacquiao they'll only remember Morales, Barrera, JMM Quad-logy, Bradley, & his Prime as a whole(because of complete dominance during those years, similar to RJJ & Tyson except with much better competition)..

Sugar Ray, Duran, Ali, Hagler probably had PLENTY of Guerrero's, Rios's, Maidana's, Fahsan's on his resume. People just like to focus on their biggest victories.

We remember them(the smaller name fighters on resume) now because they are our generation. Future Younger People will say that Pacquiao/Floyd aren't as good as we say they are because they won't know of the smaller name fighters on their resumes, who were each very good in their own right, just not @ Legend status.

[Welsh Jon]

Sugar Ray fought his greatest rival Jake Lamotta 6 times. He didn't worry about catch weights, he was happy to give up 15 lbs to his opponent.

Yes, he didn't meet literally every contender but he left no doubt who was the best in his era. The same can't be said about Mayweather and Pac cos they found excuses not to fight each other.

[Weltschmerz]

Sugar Ray fought his greatest rival Jake Lamotta 6 times. He didn't worry about catch weights, he was happy to give up 15 lbs to his opponent.

Yes, he didn't meet literally every contender but he left no doubt who was the best in his era. The same can't be said about Mayweather and Pac cos they found excuses not to fight each other.

No, it is because boxing is a different business today. That is why everybody doesn't fight everybody anymore.

[junior gong]

If a fighter has over 100 fights near 90% of their competition is bad to marginal

Today is a different era and fighters are being moved a bit faster and fight fewer fights because they get paid better than fighters of the past

Sugar Ray Robinson is considered by many to be the greatest fighter of all time and his resume and competition level is not even in the top ten. He also never faced a prime ATG at welterweight.At welterweight, the only great fighters he fought were Gavilan who was pre prime and Armstrong who was past it but still pretty good. Its not his fault, you can only fight who is available in your era and politics often get in the way, just as they do today.

He turned pro in 1940 and fought between 147-160 in an era that had the black murderers row like Aaron wade, Cocoa Kid, Holman Williams, Charley Burley, Eddie Booker, Bert Lytell etc.....him not facing those guys should not and does not take away from what he has done

Mayweather and Pacquiao has not fought yet but it is not the only big fight that did not happen.....None of the fab 4 fought Aaron Pryor, Michael Nunn, Sumbu Kalambay or Mike McCallum between 147-160 and all are still considered ATG'S....Trust me if they had to face all four, some if not all would come away with a lose

We have been lucky to see ATG like Roy Jones, Hopkins, Toney, Mayweather, and Pacquaio in our closing era....lets enjoy them while we have them and judge them for what they have done and not for what they have not done

I've seen this thread done a thousand times before and just like every one before it, it's been made by a floydiot who's salty because anyone who isnt a floydiot doeant rate Mayweather that highly all-time. The lengths this lot go to!

[who_necks]

Well seeing as Mayweather has come up like in every other thread.

One thing i can say about Mayweather is even if some of his opponents were not prime (some were though), to go 47-0 at approaching 40 and not have an off night, get caught with a punch and KO'd etc. always turn up in great shape.. etc..is still a fantastic achievement when you consider he's been fighting since the 90s and we're in 2014 now and he's still been a great professional inside the ring and training, that has to be respected.

But the truth is there is some names that he hasn't fought, such as Pacquiao. If he had fought him then he would have been a lot more respected and i think people would have no problem calling him an ATG. It's kind of frustrating really because he has talent that 99.9% of boxers could only dream of yet he has probably never utilised it to it's full extent by not facing some fighters. It's unfair to entirely blame the Pacquiao fight on Floyd, i think both camps have to share some blame.

But that is why people called the likes of Leonard, Hearns, SRR, Hagler etc..etc.. ATG's..because they dared for be great, they would risk losing because the risk was worth if for their legacy and to prove their greatness.

I believe Mayweather has the skills to be competitive in ANY area against the ATG's, but he doesn't have the willingness to prove it like the fighters talked about in this thread, thats the difference. He would rather go around shouting "TBE" rather than proving it. Thats the sad thing really, there is fighters out there with so much heart who would fight anybody. If only they were blessed with talent Mayweather has.

[betmen]

Mayweather and Pacquiao has not fought yet but it is not the only big fight that did not happen.....None of the fab 4 fought Aaron Pryor, Michael Nunn, Sumbu Kalambay or Mike McCallum between 147-160 and all are still considered ATG'S....Trust me if they had to face all four, some if not all would come away with a lose

only moron call them an ATG, they just borderline HOF-er at best.

[Daylyt]

This is OP way of excusing ducking by his dream lover floyd.

[Daddy T]

the flomos will never be able to live down 'health comes first' no matter how hard they try

[elfag]

If a fighter has over 100 fights near 90% of their competition is bad to marginal

Today is a different era and fighters are being moved a bit faster and fight fewer fights because they get paid better than fighters of the past

Sugar Ray Robinson is considered by many to be the greatest fighter of all time and his resume and competition level is not even in the top ten. He also never faced a prime ATG at welterweight.At welterweight, the only great fighters he fought were Gavilan who was pre prime and Armstrong who was past it but still pretty good. Its not his fault, you can only fight who is available in your era and politics often get in the way, just as they do today.

He turned pro in 1940 and fought between 147-160 in an era that had the black murderers row like Aaron wade, Cocoa Kid, Holman Williams, Charley Burley, Eddie Booker, Bert Lytell etc.....him not facing those guys should not and does not take away from what he has done

Mayweather and Pacquiao has not fought yet but it is not the only big fight that did not happen.....None of the fab 4 fought Aaron Pryor, Michael Nunn, Sumbu Kalambay or Mike McCallum between 147-160 and all are still considered ATG'S....Trust me if they had to face all four, some if not all would come away with a lose

We have been lucky to see ATG like Roy Jones, Hopkins, Toney, Mayweather, and Pacquaio in our closing era....lets enjoy them while we have them and judge them for what they have done and not for what they have not done

pryor never stepped up, hes best known for going life and death with a former featherweight. Most of the fab four, jumped many weight classes and took on naturally larger men. If Pryor didnt want to do it, thats on him