Originally posted by The Big Dunn
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Did we miss out on the best of Manny at 140 and 135lbs?
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Originally posted by JOM'S View PostI have to beg to disagree with you bro, PAC has fought his way to P4P recognition and imho he was no heir to anyone even to floyd, it was Oscar's miscalculation the pushed PAC to stratospheric stardom, the golden boy effect, which floyd was also a benificiary...
would anyone here choose to watch pac vs zahir, guzman, corley or the one he actually fought after oscar, hatton, cotto, marquez etc....
I never said he didn't fight his way there. he didn't reach #1 until floyd "retired". I have no problem with him taking the fights he did.
The TS question wasn't about what fights we want to see, it was about what would've happened had manny taken these fights. Had he taken the fights at 135/40 IMO he may not have won in the fashion he did. As such, the ODH fight may not even materialize.
Originally posted by Tom Cruise View PostI dunno i think MP has a better chance against Joan Guzman and Zahir Raheem ay the smaller weights than he does against 147lb version of those fighters. Which is why i think he was better relatively at 135/140 than he ended up being at welterweight (though he was still very good at 147).
Either way, I dont think it would've made Manny better.
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Originally posted by JOM'S View Posthe fought bigger guys like margarito, clottey and mosley pulling away, without question, It may be ugly but I see him destroying rahim, guzman and corley...
Zahir Raheem's style, reach, size and speed IMO would be far more difficult for Manny at that point, given his style and attributes, to deal with than Margs, clottey or Mosley at the point Manny fought them. Manny very well may have defeated him.
JMM is far smaller than all of them and gave manny significantly more problems.
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Originally posted by The Big Dunn View PostBigger means nothing to me. Its about skillset and attributes. Its why Margs at 5'11 wasn't too tall but yuri foreman at 5'11 was.
Zahir Raheem's style, reach, size and speed IMO would be far more difficult for Manny at that point, given his style and attributes, to deal with than Margs, clottey or Mosley at the point Manny fought them. Manny very well may have defeated him.
JMM is far smaller than all of them and gave manny significantly more problems.
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!35 to 140 is Pacquiao's perfect fighting weight and no one but Marquez, Danny Garcia and Matthyhsse would give him any trouble. He would beat Corely, Raheem and Guzman with ease. If these three were in Pacquiao's class they would be famous and not guys most fans never heard of. Pacquiao is much smaller than the welterweights he fights and he wins because of his skill, speed and power.
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Originally posted by Kingjames6 View PostBesides Marquez PAC would've beat everyone at 135 and 140 convincingly.Originally posted by boliodogs View Post!35 to 140 is Pacquiao's perfect fighting weight and no one but Marquez, Danny Garcia and Matthyhsse would give him any trouble. He would beat Corely, Raheem and Guzman with ease. If these three were in Pacquiao's class they would be famous and not guys most fans never heard of. Pacquiao is much smaller than the welterweights he fights and he wins because of his skill, speed and power.
while I agree it was smart to skip both weights and that manny likely wins, its not as easy as either of you make it.
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PAC would've certainly have had far more knockouts if he stayed in those divisions. He would've cleaned those divisions out easily.
The key word here is PAC's POWER. Smaller guys can't eat PAC's power for 12 rounds. Only a guy like Rios would be able to withstand it.
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Originally posted by Elotero View PostLOL
JMM>>>
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