Are Jersey Joe Walcott and Max Baer all time greats?

[Thunder Lips]

yes, very scary knockout, bone chilling. hasim rahman is also an all time great because he scored a chilling ko over Lennox Lewis, right?

**** everyone is an all time great

You are aware that after the knockout win, Walcott won the rematch by a UD? If Charles was overweight, got in shape, came back and crushed him you'd have a point but that didn't happen so your **** out of luck with that analogy. Walcott and Charles are 2-2 career against each other.


http://youtube.com/watch?v=ABZu5v2JPuE

Bah, lame knockout anyway.

I like this one better:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=VO-vbBQU_ps

[Yogi]

You are aware that after the knockout win, Walcott won the rematch by a UD? If Charles was overweight, got in shape, came back and crushed him you'd have a point but that didn't happen so your **** out of luck with that analogy. Walcott and Charles are 2-2 career against each other.

The story of any fight goes well beyond the official judges decision, my friend, as it always does due to how many ugly decisions we've seen over time, and in the case of the 4th Charles/Walcott fight, if you'd ask the majority in attendance who saw it they'd say Charles had the slight edge in the fight over the 15 round distance.

The fans, for one, voiced their displeasure over the decision in that one, and also, if you'd ask the sportswriters that were present at the fight, Charles would have had the edge in who they thought won the fight as 21 writers thought Ezzard deserved the nod as opposed to 18 for Jersey Joe (two others thought it was a draw).

A couple who voted in favour of Ezzard Charles were the Associated Press who had it 7-6-2 for Charles, and the United Press who had it 9-5-1 for Charles.

Walcott may have got a close judges decision over Charles in that fight, which reportedly wasn't exactly a great one to watch, but still the opinions on who won by those who saw it were certainly anything but unanimous in Walcott's favour.

[Scott9945]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=WyB36AyaYWs

Baer knocks future Joe Louis' conqueror Schemling around like a ragdoll.


http://youtube.com/watch?v=9UpzS6kfSNU

Walcott wins the title from Charles. One of the best and most underrated knockouts ever. Charles' head nearly snaps backwards, very scary.

Yes, they are certainly all time great material.

Schmelling was boxing Baer's ears off for most of that fight. He just got caught late. Schmelling was clearly the superior fighter on a historical basis.

[Thunder Lips]

The story of any fight goes well beyond the official judges decision, my friend, as it always does due to how many ugly decisions we've seen over time, and in the case of the 4th Charles/Walcott fight, if you'd ask the majority in attendance who saw it they'd say Charles had the slight edge in the fight over the 15 round distance.

The fans, for one, voiced their displeasure over the decision in that one, and also, if you'd ask the sportswriters that were present at the fight, Charles would have had the edge in who they thought won the fight as 21 writers thought Ezzard deserved the nod as opposed to 18 for Jersey Joe (two others thought it was a draw).

A couple who voted in favour of Ezzard Charles were the Associated Press who had it 7-6-2 for Charles, and the United Press who had it 9-5-1 for Charles.

Walcott may have got a close judges decision over Charles in that fight, which reportedly wasn't exactly a great one to watch, but still the opinions on who won by those who saw it were certainly anything but unanimous in Walcott's favour.

As you can see my post was made in response to a mocking Rahman/Lewis analogy that is just plain nutty. I'm aware the decision was debated by observers but the fact is that Walcott officially won by UD and the fight was apparently close at any rate, evidently closer than say their very easy to score second fight or even the third before the knockout. I was not trying to bash Charles with my post, only the assumption that Walcott was somehow a Rahman. You know the inconsistent underachiever that knocked out a lazy Lewis only to be completely raped by him in the rematch in such brutal fashion it left absolutely no doubt that he was a fluke Champion. This turd:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=tQeqquW1ugo&feature=related

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MWiuBILDgqw&feature=related

Yeah, he got wins over fellow fat underachievers Tua and Sanders as well. How can Walcott's legacy hope to compete with this master of the sweet science? I know your post made no such suggestion, I'm just making my point more clear.