Haye has **** defence, keeps his left too low, susceptible to jabs and right hands

[Norton]

"Haye has **** defence"

Yes he has. I'd like to see him vs Peter or Arreola. Or Vitaly, but it's probably never happen

[Suckmedry]

...and he's lazy, sluggish, has terrible stamina, low workrate, glass chin, leaves himself wide open after he throws his wild looping amatuerish punches.

All of these flaws and weaknesses are a recipe for disaster against a Klitschko.

If old shot slow ass Ruiz can land jabs at will and right hands on Haye, just imagine what either Klitschko will do to him.

Either Klitschko puts Haye in a coma.


P.S. I know people are gonna say "Vitali keeps his left hand low too"....Vitali can get away with it because he is 6'7 250 lbs, has an iron chin, great defense, a sixth sense and is a master at controlling distance. He is a very hard to hit. He can lean back, slip punches and counter you with a variety of accurate powerful punches from different angles.

A 'sixth sense"

Yeah, I heard Vit can control the weather and summon the powers of nature too.

[Steelhammer2011]

A 'sixth sense"

Yeah, I heard Vit can control the weather and summon the powers of nature too.

Here's a Ring Magazine article on Vitali. Larry Merchant and Emanuel Steward talk about Vitali's sixth sense in the ring.

Is Vitali Klitschko Unbeatable?

By Doug Fischer

Few of the onlookers who watched Vitali Klitschko joke around and shake out during a late Wednesday morning open workout at Muscle Beach in Venice, Calif., realized they were looking at the most formidable heavyweight in the world.

To most curious bystanders who watched him skip rope, do push ups and shadow box, he’s just a very tall, very fit middle-aged guy with a thick Russian accent.

Fans of Chris Arreola, the L.A.-born heavyweight contender who will challenge Klitschko for the Ukranian’s heavyweight title at Staples Center on Saturday, know better. They know Klitschko is no joke.

As much as they love Arreola and want to see him become the first heavyweight of Mexican descent to win a major title, they’re having a hard time envisioning just how he’ll pull off what would be a tremendous upset.

Klitschko’s not unbeatable, but he’s pretty damn close to it. Of his 39 professional opponents, only two have had their hands raised after facing him: former titleholder Chris Byrd and former champ Lennox Lewis.

Byrd frustrated Klitschko when the two fought in Germany 8½ years ago, but the smaller man was trailing on the scorecards before he became the beneficiary of a technical stoppage due to a shoulder injury that kept the giant beltholder on his stool after the ninth round.

Lewis went blow for blow with Klitschko in a rousing six-round battle of big men at Staples Center in 2003. Lewis, who was twice rocked, beat his giant challenger to the jab, causing severe cuts and lacerations around Klitschko’s eye that ultimately forced the ringside physician to halt the fight in the champ’s favor. Klitschko was up by two points on all three judges scorecards at the time.

A bad shoulder injury and gruesome cuts. Those are the only things that have defeated Klitschko in the ring.

He’s never been down or even visibly hurt (rocked or wobbled) in 39 professional fights. He’s never been down on the scorecards. Of the 37 opponents he’s defeated, 36 have been stopped.

What makes Klitschko (37-2, 36 knockouts) so hard to beat?

I asked him after his open workout. He’s not saying.

“That’s a good question to ask Chris Arreola after our fight,” he offered.

I know his height (6-foot-7) is a big part of what makes him difficult to fight. You don’t have to be possessed by the ghost of Eddie Futch to figure that out.

But there’s more to it.

I asked HBO commentator Larry Merchant, who attended Wednesday’s open workout, and the cable network’s longtime boxing analyst did what he does best -- put things in perspective.

“It’s more than his height,” said Merchant, who will work Saturday’s show. “Yes, he knows how to use his height, but he’s also so strong that he can hurt you with arm punches. So he doesn’t have to risk getting in range to land. He doesn’t have to lean in or step in with his punches.

“And he’s patient. He’s fine with keeping his opponent at arms length until his power grinds them down. He’s awkward, which makes it difficult for opponents to time him, and he’s also very tough. If you can catch him with a good shot, chances are that he can take your best shot.”

Height and reach, which Klitschko uses both offensively and defensively. Phenomenal strength and power, which can wear down the toughest opponent. And a rock-sold chin, which can absorb any lucky shot that might get through. That's what Arreola must deal with Saturday.

“There’s one more thing I’ve noticed bout Vitali,” Merchant added. “He has a real intuition in the ring that tells him where his opponent is and what he has to do to keep out of range while keeping his opponent in range.”

Huh? On top of being a skilled giant, Klitschko’s some kind of mind reader?

I called Merchant’s HBO co-commentator Emanuel Steward, who trains heavyweight champ Wladimir Klitschko, to get his take on what makes his fighter’s older brother so hard to beat and the Hall of Fame trainer also brought up the 38-year-old titleholder’s sixth sense in the ring.

“I remember watching Vitali train when both brothers were training in L.A.,” said Steward, who also trained Lewis. “I watched him spar and I noticed that he gets a feeling of when a punch is about to come and he moves out of position just as this is happening, and at the same time he throws a punch while he’s moving.

“I thought to myself, 'No wonder he’s so difficult.' I had never noticed this before. When Lennox fought him, I thought his height would be a problem but I knew that Lennox had handled taller fighters before so I wasn’t worried about it.

“After that fight, Lennox told me ‘I know he looked easy on the films but he’s tough to fight.’ Vitali has subtle movement and that intuition and a gangly way of punching that just makes him very, very difficult to beat.”

Steward also mentioned a psychological advantage that Klitschko often imposes on his opponents.

“He’s not known for this because he’s a gentleman, just like his brother, but Vitali is a very intimidating man,” Steward said. “He intimidates his opponents at the press conferences and at the weigh-ins. I’ve seen him do it to his brother’s opponents when we’re in Germany. Just his upright posture, the size of his body and the intensity in his eyes when he looks down on a man makes an impression. He’s always by his brother’s side when Wladimir fights and I’m telling you I can feel it from Vitali. He’s an intimidator.”

Veteran trainer Jesse Reid, who’s looking after the Wild Card gym while Freddie Roach trains Manny Pacquiao in the Philippines, doesn’t think Klitschko will need any intuition or intimidation to beat Arreola.

He believes Klitschko’s style and superb conditioning is what confounds and ultimately defeats his opponents.

“He’s awkward and he’s got great stamina,” Reid said. “It’s as simple as that. He won’t wear down like his brother has a few times. Vitali doesn’t wear down. He wears you down. I think he was on his way to wearing Lennox Lewis down when they fought. Lewis was on top of his game but couldn’t hurt him or tire him out.

“How’s Arreola going to do it? I don’t think Chris is fast enough to counter what he’s going to get hit with all night. I think the only way to stop Klitschko is to do it on cuts like Lewis did, but how many heavyweights out there right now have ability like Lennox Lewis?”

[BritishBoxing92]

whats with the constant threads about haye?? unlike the klitshckos hes faster but the klitshckos have achieved more then Haye at HW and haye should cut down on the trash talk an all but atleast give him respect for Stopping john ruiz

[- JCHING -]

Why are you so threatened by Haye TS??

Haye, Wlad and Vitali are the top fighters in the division.

You ****ting on Haye, only points out how bad a state the division must be in, if one of the top 3 fighters is as bad as you say he is.

[*2TOUGH*]

He didnt spar for 4 weeks prior to the fight.. and he was the 2nd guy since David Tua to stop the guy.. and it was raw talent!!!! Imagine if he had sparred?

...and he's lazy, sluggish, has terrible stamina, low workrate, glass chin, bad balance, leaves himself wide open after he throws his wild looping amatuerish punches, etc.

All of these flaws and weaknesses are a recipe for disaster against a Klitschko.

If old shot slow ass Ruiz can land jabs at will and right hands on Haye, just imagine what either Klitschko will do to him.

Either Klitschko puts Haye in a coma.


P.S. I know people are gonna say "Vitali keeps his left hand low too"....Vitali can get away with it because he is 6'7 250 lbs, has an iron chin, great defense, a sixth sense and is a master at controlling distance. He is a very hard to hit. He can lean back, slip punches and counter you with a variety of accurate powerful punches from different angles.

[Profanosaurus]

IF Haye catches Wlad its over. The punch that floored Ruiz after 35 seconds would have knocked Wlad out.

[Fairweather]

It was a bull**** stoppage, Ruiz could've gone the distance or stopped the tired vulnerable haye.

What are you on about, Ruiz's corner threw in the towel.

[- JCHING -]

That was the worst version of Ruiz. He's an old slow shot punching bag.

Haye struggled, took too many shots, got hurt and stunned, was getting bullied and he couldn't even put Ruiz away. It was a bull**** stoppage, Ruiz could've gone the distance or stopped the tired vulnerable haye.

This guy is insane.

How can you possibly believe that Haye was struggling and when did he get hurt and stunned???? Also, who has put Ruiz away in 14 years??

You need some serious help my friend.

[S.W.F.C]

lol, you're really threatened by Haye aint ya TS ?