Shocking PED revelations by T. Hauser. GBP, Mayweather, Quillin, Morales.

[lfc19titles]

Hauser has been on Arum's payroll for several years now. It is no surprise he only brings up Golden Boy fighters. But I understand why Hauser is doing this, journalism is a dying profession and boxing is a dead sport, you have to feed your kids somehow, and sensationalism is the last frontier.

He brought up Chavez Jr taking drugs as well

[Dr Rumack]

I don't see an issue with conflicting judgements, esp since WADA said it will judge them on a case by case basis. Otherwise might as well strike it from the list of banned substances.

But according to the article, the B sample was available well in advance, however the commission was not notified of this. Are you sure you read it?

This is the key really. USADA, or Golden Boy, are making decisions regarding the seriousness of positive results, and the release of information arising out of those results by themselves. How this is supposed to work, it that USADA do nothing more than test and pass all information onto the relative governing bodies, and Golden Boy do nothing more than write the cheques.

This is way more important than people realise, especially when you consider how Schaefer reacted to the release of information regarding the Peterson and Berto positive tests. In an article entitled 'Richard Schaefer Lashes Out at VADA' on badlefthook.com, VADA put forward the following rationalisation for not going to Golden Boy when they detected positive samples:

In order for VADA to release the preliminary "A" sample results to a third party such as GBP, VADA requires an executed authorization allowing us to do so. VADA sent GBP a draft contract for its signature which would have authorized the preliminary "A" sample results to be released to GBP. This initial draft (which was never signed) contained a clause pursuant to which GBP would have represented that it had obtained the necessary authorization from the fighters. GBP's legal team rejected this clause and instead suggested making the fighters signatories to the contract with their signatures being the necessary authorization. VADA's counsel made it clear to GBP that, if GBP wanted to handle it this way, GBP must take responsibility for obtaining the athlete's signatures. Unfortunately, and to VADA's dismay, GBP never obtained the signatures.


Various versions of a draft contract were sent back and forth between GBP and VADA. The contract was never finalized. Richard Schaefer may, or may not, have been aware of this situation. The bottom line is that VADA had no contract with GBP. This is not a mere technicality. It involves issues of medical ethics. VADA needed a signed contract in order to deviate from its Results Management Policy (posted on our website) and release the preliminary and personal medical information to a third party. VADA still has never received a signed contract or signed athlete authorization from GBP.
 VADA would have been happy to inform GBP of the preliminary "A" results. But we needed a signed authorization allowing us to do so, which we never received.

The article quotes Schaefer's response as the following:

"And now for people, whether its lawyers or its not lawyers, to go and spin it in a way where 'we're under no obligation to tell the Nevada Athletic Commission, to tell Golden Boy and for that matter to tell anybody' - that is plain straight out bull****. Bull****, and you can print that in capital letters. That kind of behavior is unprofessional and disrespectful. And unprofessional and disrespectful I don't tolerate. Those parties will be well advised to stop spinning that bull**** and start telling the truth - acknowledging that they should have informed us."

That's about as clear an indication as you're going to get of the reason Golden Boy moved from VADA to USADA for their testing. Fast-forward to the Morales positive tests, what happened?

The commission was not informed.

The public was not informed.

Golden Boy was informed.

And Golden Boy still got to go ahead with their lucrative event. The Morales samples, like those of Peterson and Berto, falls into a grey area where there is a ready made explanation for the presense of the substance found. Clenbuterol, after all, had been explained away in the case of the U17 Mexican soccer team's failed tests as a result of eating contaminated meat.

Berto's sample contained the steroid norandrosterone which was later ruled to be present due to contamination. Peterson had undergone Testosterone Replacement Therapy.

Both of these could be conceptualised as 'exceptional circumstances', where if the testing had been conducted by USADA instead of VADA, the event might have gone ahead had the standards of the Morales results been applied.

So what we have is a model whereby a fighter may fail a test, but if they present evidence of exceptional circumstances, have those tests pushed to one side. And the public would never even hear about it, because USADA, or Golden Boy, are making decisions regarding the seriousness of those positive results, and the release of information arising out of those results by themselves. It seems that this is the very reason golden Boy are working with USADA instead of VADA.


The implications this has for other fights for which USADA was the designated tester should be clear.

[shade darkar]

"if your the best then take the test!" then fail it 3 times and cover it up!

if this is true then i cant say i would be surprised. what a joke boxing has become at the elite level. the best refuse to fight each other and all this potential corruption is sickening.

[RajahBell]

The USADA Corruption conspiracy theorists wont address who paid them off to bring down armstrong. my guess france since they hate the guy so much. again though this isnt my conspiracy theory its the ptards.

These allegations have Arthur Andersen, the infamous auditing firm, potential in my view. The main difference between the treatment of Lance and boxing is independence. They have no loyalty to Lance because US Cycling pays their bills to look after hundreds of riders, whereas they have monetary incentive to keep their client, with a handful of fighters, happy and alive in boxing. Golden Boy Promotions pays them about $100,000 per fight for 8 weeks of work. That's already compromised testing standards in the name of Revenues, since Olympic Style Drug Testing is supposed to 24-7-365 days a year.

There is possibility that USADA went after Armstrong for the Publicity, after-all Lance was a Big Fish that eluded many. I remember hearing somewhere, that the USADA was interested in Revenues from Professional Sports(MLB, NFL, NBA, etc.), who are concerned about privacy and the rights of players. The Armstrong Case shows that they are the best. However, the boxing case shows that the USADA honors contracts. Anyone that will do business with them will have Prestige of having the best drug testing and enforcement body and they know that the USADA will protect their best interest.

[radioraheem]

So what we have is a model whereby a fighter may fail a test, but if they present evidence of exceptional circumstances, have those tests pushed to one side. And the public would never even hear about it, because USADA, or Golden Boy, are making decisions regarding the seriousness of those positive results, and the release of information arising out of those results by themselves. It seems that this is the very reason golden Boy are working with USADA instead of VADA.

The implications this has for other fights for which USADA was the designated tester should be clear.

I believe there is little difference between USADA and VADA's contracts.

The problem with both USADA and VADA is that they are voluntary testing programs. It's not mandated, and they are not programs that are being paid for by a neutral outside party. So by default there's a variety of issues. For instance, both USADA and VADA have been paid for usually by the Promoter (Golden Boy). This by default is a conflict of interest! If Golden Boy returns to using VADA, literally anyone can make allegations that Golden Boy is paying VADA under the table to conceal positive results. Or that they now have a favorable contract with VADA that they didn't have with USADA. Or someone can claim that fighter X paid VADA under the table to hide a result, because VADA tells the fighter the result first.

The final thing is that, when it comes to contracts and the like, it is none of the public's business! In the nature of business, all these matters are usually private affairs. When USADA released the press kit about Lance Armstrong, that was really rare and only done because of the high volume of public interest. That kind of thing normally never happens in business.

[Dr Rumack]

I believe there is little difference between USADA and VADA's contracts.

The problem with both USADA and VADA is that they are voluntary testing programs. It's not mandated, and they are not programs that are being paid for by a neutral outside party. So by default there's a variety of issues. For instance, both USADA and VADA have been paid for usually by the Promoter (Golden Boy). This by default is a conflict of interest! If Golden Boy returns to using VADA, literally anyone can make allegations that Golden Boy is paying VADA under the table to conceal positive results. Or that they now have a favorable contract with VADA that they didn't have with USADA. Or someone can claim that fighter X paid VADA under the table to hide a result, because VADA tells the fighter the result first.

The final thing is that, when it comes to contracts and the like, it is none of the public's business! In the nature of business, all these matters are usually private affairs. When USADA released the press kit about Lance Armstrong, that was really rare and only done because of the high volume of public interest. That kind of thing normally never happens in business.

Well it is the public's business because Golden Boy are selling their product to the public.

If a new pharmaceutical product comes on the market and has to be granted FDA approval to do so, then the testing that new drug has undergone is of interest to the public at large, regardless of whether it was conducted by private contractors or not.

If Golden Boy are trying to tell us their fighters are clean, well we're perfectly entitled to reject that claim until we've established its veracity. If they reject requests for transparency, fine, but they can forget their 'clean fighters' claim if that's the way they're going to play it.

With respect to USADA and VADA, the issue here is that we have a clear example of differences in procedure. It's not speculative as you suggest in your example.

We know that USADA treated positive results in a very different fashion to how VADA treated them, and based on Shaefer's documented comments, we have strong reason to suspect that's why USADA now conducts tests for Golden Boy instead of VADA.

In order for Golden Boy's testing to be credible, they and USADA need to clear up some issues and answer some very significant questions.

[radioraheem]

Well it is the public's business because Golden Boy are selling their product to the public.

If a new pharmaceutical product comes on the market and has to be granted FDA approval to do so, then the testing that new drug has undergone is of interest to the public at large, regardless of whether it was conducted by private contractors or not.

If Golden Boy are trying to tell us their fighters are clean, well we're perfectly entitled to reject that claim until we've established its veracity. If they reject requests for transparency, fine, but they can forget their 'clean fighters' claim if that's the way they're going to play it.

With respect to USADA and VADA, the issue here is that we have a clear example of differences in procedure. It's not speculative as you suggest in your example.

We know that USADA treated positive results in a very different fashion to how VADA treated them, and based on Shaefer's documented comments, we have strong reason to suspect that's why USADA now conducts tests for Golden Boy instead of VADA.

In order for Golden Boy's testing to be credible, they and USADA need to clear up some issues and answer some very significant questions.

Even with the FDA, does the FDA reveal in detail how they approve and disprove a product? There are plenty of products that has passed FDA approval and later found to be bad or harmful products. The FDA isn't exactly a transparent agency and they have not always acted in the best interest of the public even up til now. And at the very least, the FDA does not have the same conflict of interest that exists with VADA and USADA!

The problem is not about Golden Boy telling us their fighters are 'clean.' The main problem is that these are voluntary programs being paid for either by the Promoter or the fighter(s) themselves. By that fact alone, a conflict of interest exists. That conflict of interest has led to, a fighter concealing a positive test result for more than 4 weeks, a promoter and commission not finding out about a positive test result until a week or so before the scheduled fight, testing beginning and then a day or two later suddenly ceasing, etc. These are things that happened with VADA and USADA. VADA has done things with results that can be deemed suspicious too (such as Peterson being the only one knowing he tested positive for almost a full month!). And now allegedly, Morales or GBP knew about a positive for several weeks (even though USADA has not released the results and timeline).

Now if the testing were mandatory and being paid for by an outside neutral party, much of these issues would not have happened. And at the very least, people could blame the neutral party for not organizing everything properly. Rather than trying to place blame on testing agencies, who's priority job is really just to test and give results (as Goodman of VADA states). VADA and USADA both are new to testing in boxing also. There are still going to be mistakes they both will make. But much of it is because a conflict of interest exists.

[!! Shawn]

These allegations have Arthur Andersen, the infamous auditing firm, potential in my view. The main difference between the treatment of Lance and boxing is independence. They have no loyalty to Lance because US Cycling pays their bills to look after hundreds of riders, whereas they have monetary incentive to keep their client, with a handful of fighters, happy and alive in boxing. Golden Boy Promotions pays them about $100,000 per fight for 8 weeks of work. That's already compromised testing standards in the name of Revenues, since Olympic Style Drug Testing is supposed to 24-7-365 days a year.

There is possibility that USADA went after Armstrong for the Publicity, after-all Lance was a Big Fish that eluded many. I remember hearing somewhere, that the USADA was interested in Revenues from Professional Sports(MLB, NFL, NBA, etc.), who are concerned about privacy and the rights of players. The Armstrong Case shows that they are the best. However, the boxing case shows that the USADA honors contracts. Anyone that will do business with them will have Prestige of having the best drug testing and enforcement body and they know that the USADA will protect their best interest.

I believe they were looking for a way to justify asking congress for more money as well.

[YDKSAB]

Can't believe Golden Boy was covering for all these drug cheats. Floyd been pointing fingers at everyone but himself.

[Shadow boxer 3]

look at the tags for this thread at the bottom, one of them says Larryx is shook