If Ortiz retired today how will he be remembered

[Aztekkas]

He won't be remembered, hell be a stat on boxrec. Zero accomplishments.

He's a tree, he is Berto's father, Son of "Chino" Maidana from the land of the smiley faced sun, first man to confirm Manuel Perez having "pop" and the legendary fighter who hugged his way into getting KO'd by "Iron Fisted" Floyd Mayweather Jr himself...


Those are quite the accomplishments if I don't say so myself...

[Dean_Razorback]

he will be remembered for being that dude that kissed floyd and got sucker punched for it