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Originally posted by Luilun View PostCounts only if no catch weight that's why I don't count that bogus 152 catch weight to unify 154
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See, this is the stuff I dislike.
Manny has constantly claimed 154 was too high for him to go back, but he would try 160 if Sergio looks old/washed up or if the belt is held by a very small Cotto. If he wanted that belt or Sergio, he had years to do it while Sergio was the man but of course he was 'too big' at that point.
That's not just aimed at Manny, I hate seing this from fighters in general.
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Originally posted by gmc_rfc_06 View PostSee, this is the stuff I dislike.
Manny has constantly claimed 154 was too high for him to go back, but he would try 160 if Sergio looks old/washed up or if the belt is held by a very small Cotto. If he wanted that belt or Sergio, he had years to do it while Sergio was the man but of course he was 'too big' at that point.
That's not just aimed at Manny, I hate seing this from fighters in general.
He could have fought Sergio years ago in his prime, when Sergio was calling him out. Instead Cotto waited until Sergio looked broken down and might be far enough gone to beat. Yeah, it's still an admirable risk but it's clearly a calculated one where Cotto has nothing to lose.
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Originally posted by gmc_rfc_06 View PostSee, this is the stuff I dislike.
Manny has constantly claimed 154 was too high for him to go back, but he would try 160 if Sergio looks old/washed up or if the belt is held by a very small Cotto. If he wanted that belt or Sergio, he had years to do it while Sergio was the man but of course he was 'too big' at that point.
That's not just aimed at Manny, I hate seing this from fighters in general.
Anyway, I don't begrudge smaller guys like Mayweather or Pacquiao cherrypicking at MW, it's when they do it in their own division(s) it's a problem.
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Originally posted by bojangles1987 View PostThat's why we need to tone down all the "Cotto is so brave to take this fight!" stuff.
He could have fought Sergio years ago in his prime, when Sergio was calling him out. Instead Cotto waited until Sergio looked broken down and might be far enough gone to beat. Yeah, it's still an admirable risk but it's clearly a calculated one where Cotto has nothing to lose.
Miguel knows this went from a guarenteed stoppage loss to a fight that he can win in the space of a year. The Sergio of Chavez and before beats Miguel badly and stops him. As you said, still a gutsy fight, but nowhere near as impossible as it was 18 months ago.
Nobody was actively seeking out that Martinez, not even GGG imo.
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Originally posted by Weebler I View PostHas Manny actually claimed anything, or have the people around him claimed it on his behalf?
Anyway, I don't begrudge smaller guys like Mayweather or Pacquiao cherrypicking at MW, it's when they do it in their own division(s) it's a problem.
I dislike this kind of thing more than I dislike catchweight fights, it's insulting as a fan of the sport. That guy that was 'too big' for years is suddenly perfectly fine now that he looks old and faded.
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Originally posted by Weebler I View PostHas Manny actually claimed anything, or have the people around him claimed it on his behalf?
Anyway, I don't begrudge smaller guys like Mayweather or Pacquiao cherrypicking at MW, it's when they do it in their own division(s) it's a problem.
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