The notion that older Heavyweights couldn't beat Heavyweight's the size of today

[hweightblogger]

And Wlad was stopped by someone with not nearly the same skills as Schmeling.

Yeah so? Maybe Tyson had less skills than Oscar De La Hoya. So what?

You know exactly what would have happened had Mike Tyson met Oscar in the ring.

We are talking about heavyweight. Not about some fantasy "skillweight".

[hweightblogger]

If Shavers and Norton were fighting today and in the heavyweight picture, they'd beat everyone with the exception of the Klitschko's.

Shavers would be called a featherfist nowadays:
http://www.heavyweightblog.com/2318/...ed-featherfist

Kenny Norton's record isn't too good either (except for the Ali win, which says more about Ali than about Norton). Norton was easily KOed. Norton wouldn't even be known nowadays.

[hweightblogger]

I mean Foreman was viewed as a huge beast of a HW but he was what? 6 foot 2 maybe? he'd be an average sized HW these days. and I love Foreman but he was a one dimensional brute who relied on power against usually smaller fighters so his main asset, power, wouldnt be as destructive in this era

No, Foreman of the 1970s would be SUB-AVERAGE today.

George Foreman (average fighting weight 217 in the 1970s) would be Vitali Klitschko's bottom-3 LIGHTEST opponent.

Those boxing fans who think that Joe Louis...

...would have a chance against Klitschko's opponents (let alone Klitschkos themselves) need some serious reality adjustment.

Remember Mormeck vs Klitschko?

That small guy (Mormeck)
* was heavier than Sonny Liston (against Ali)
* was far more accomplished than Liston
* had a far better resume than Liston

Yet Wlad-Mormeck was merely seen as a stay-busy fight. That's how much the division changed.

[Nay_Sayer]

it cant be a coincidence that since the iron curtain came down the east europeans have dominated. not sdaying they would have in the 60s, 70, 80s but there would have been a fair amount of big russians competing at the top level who would have surely have some of the titles

If the Eastern Europeans are so good then why aren't there any in the top 5 P4P?

[Nay_Sayer]

and wlad has got possibly the hardest and most effective jab of any fighter who's ever lived

Lol...

You can't be serious.

Wlad's jab is ****, and that's being generous...

[Simurgh]

Lol...

You can't be serious.

Wlad's jab is ****, and that's being generous...

Wlad's jab is one of the best ever. Go educate yourself!

[Nay_Sayer]

Wlad's jab is one of the best ever. Go educate yourself!

Lol. If you mean the best pawing and useless jab ever then I'm inclined to agree.

If you want to see an ATG HW jab then go look at some Larry Holmes film.

Holmes' jab >>> Wlad's lackluster jab

[hweightblogger]

Lol. If you mean the best pawing and useless jab ever then I'm inclined to agree.

If you want to see an ATG HW jab then go look at some Larry Holmes film.

Holmes' jab >>> Wlad's lackluster jab

Wlad's jab > Holmes' right hook.

[hweightblogger]

If the Eastern Europeans are so good then why aren't there any in the top 5 P4P?

We are in a HW thread.

P4P has been invented to make non-heavies feel good about themselves. P4P wise Floyd Mayweather beats Mike Tyson.
Argueing with "P4P" in a superheavyweight thread makes no sense.

[Nay_Sayer]

Wlad's jab > Holmes' right hook.

Gotta love Klittard "logic".

Lol.

Holmes is an ORTHODOX fighter and doesn't throw right hooks, Genius.

Holmes >>> Klitschko