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    A group of Occupy Wall Street activists has bought almost $15m of Americans' personal debt over the last year as part of the Rolling Jubilee project to help people pay off their outstanding credit.

    Rolling Jubilee, set up by Occupy's Strike Debt group following the street protests that swept the world in 2011, launched on 15 November 2012. The group purchases personal debt cheaply from banks before "abolishing" it, freeing individuals from their bills.

    By purchasing the debt at knockdown prices the group has managed to free $14,734,569.87 of personal debt, mainly medical debt, spending only $400,000.

    "We thought that the ratio would be about 20 to 1," said Andrew Ross, a member of Strike Debt and professor of social and cultural analysis at New York University. He said the team initially envisaged raising $50,000, which would have enabled it to buy $1m in debt.

    "In fact we've been able to buy debt a lot more cheaply than that."

    The group is able to buy debt so cheaply due to the nature of the "secondary debt market". If individuals consistently fail to pay bills from credit cards, loans, or medical insurance the bank or lender that issued the funds will eventually cut its losses by selling that debt to a third party. These sales occur for a fraction of the debt’s true values – typically for five cents on the dollar – and debt-buying companies then attempt to recoup the debt from the individual debtor and thus make a profit.

    The Rolling Jubilee project was mostly conceived as a "public education project", Ross said.

    "We're under no illusions that $15m is just a tiny drop in the secondary debt market. It doesn't make a dent in the amount of debt.

    "Our purpose in doing this, aside from helping some people along the way – there's certainly many, many people who are very thankful that their debts are abolished – our primary purpose was to spread information about the workings of this secondary debt market."

    The group has focussed on buying medical debt, and has acquired the $14.7m in three separate purchases, most recently spending $13.5m on medical debt owed by 2,693 people across 45 states and Puerto Rico, Rolling Jubilee said in a press release.

    “No one should have to go into debt or bankruptcy because they get sick,” said Laura Hanna, an organiser with the group. Hanna said 62% of all personal bankruptcies have medical debt as a contributing factor.

    Due to the nature of the debt market, the group is unable to specify whose debt it purchases, taking on the amounts before it discovers individuals’ iden******. When Rolling Jubilee has bought the debt they send notes to their debtors “telling them they’re off the hook”, Ross said.

    Ross, whose book, Creditocracy and the case for debt refusal, outlines the problems of the debt industry and calls for a “debtors’ movement” to resist credit, said the group had received letters from people whose debt they had lifted thanking them for the service. But the real victory was in spreading knowledge of the nature of the debt industry, he said.

    "Very few people know how cheaply their debts have been bought by collectors. It changes the psychology of the debtor, knowing this.

    “So when you get called up by the debt collector, and you're being asked to pay the full amount of your debt, you now know that the debt collector has bought your debt very, very cheaply. As cheaply as we bought it. And that gives you moral ammunition to have a different conversation with the debt collector."

  • #2
    looking forward to any replies from tea baggers.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by AntonTheMeh View Post
      looking forward to any replies from tea baggers.
      "let the free market handle it."

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      • #4
        Pretty nice of them but when I read this it just gives me the notion that people are just trading imaginary currency back and forth adjusting how much it is worth when really it doesn't exist at all but admittedly I am no economist and don't know much about this sort of thing.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by AntonTheMeh View Post
          looking forward to any replies from tea baggers.
          What's the point of this comment?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by ~AK49~ View Post
            What's the point of this comment?
            you tell me since you seem pretty defensive about it.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by 2501 View Post
              "let the free market handle it."
              I'd say that the Free Market has handled it assuming that this group is a privately funded non-profit and not getting a govt subsidy to do this. That's what a voluntarism is all about in a Free Market.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by AntonTheMeh View Post
                you tell me since you seem pretty defensive about it.
                Just curious is all

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by ~AK49~ View Post
                  Just curious is all
                  When this guy thinks 'Tea baggers'...he is probably thinking of your stereotypical pitch fork waving, Obama devil sign kind of guy with a beer belly. The truth is that most Tea Party types are educated, self-employed and/or own small businesses. The vast majority of them aren't over educated and rather went to trade school and acquired the kind of skills where they can work for themselves or someone else.

                  On the other hand, Occupy people are college snobs with no real world, hands on experience....indoctrinated by leftist academia. They like to look down on 'Tea Baggers' with their Liberal Arts degrees but what's funny is that they will most likely end up serving those Tea bagger's some fries with ketchup or loot one of their stores during one of their riots.

                  Conclusion....in general, Tea Baggers = people who directly grow the economy, hands-on, while Occupy Wall Street = people just talking about the economy.
                  Last edited by One_Tycoon; 11-12-2013, 07:40 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by 2501 View Post


                    A group of Occupy Wall Street activists has bought almost $15m of Americans' personal debt over the last year as part of the Rolling Jubilee project to help people pay off their outstanding credit.

                    Rolling Jubilee, set up by Occupy's Strike Debt group following the street protests that swept the world in 2011, launched on 15 November 2012. The group purchases personal debt cheaply from banks before "abolishing" it, freeing individuals from their bills.

                    By purchasing the debt at knockdown prices the group has managed to free $14,734,569.87 of personal debt, mainly medical debt, spending only $400,000.

                    "We thought that the ratio would be about 20 to 1," said Andrew Ross, a member of Strike Debt and professor of social and cultural analysis at New York University. He said the team initially envisaged raising $50,000, which would have enabled it to buy $1m in debt.

                    "In fact we've been able to buy debt a lot more cheaply than that."

                    The group is able to buy debt so cheaply due to the nature of the "secondary debt market". If individuals consistently fail to pay bills from credit cards, loans, or medical insurance the bank or lender that issued the funds will eventually cut its losses by selling that debt to a third party. These sales occur for a fraction of the debt’s true values – typically for five cents on the dollar – and debt-buying companies then attempt to recoup the debt from the individual debtor and thus make a profit.

                    The Rolling Jubilee project was mostly conceived as a "public education project", Ross said.

                    "We're under no illusions that $15m is just a tiny drop in the secondary debt market. It doesn't make a dent in the amount of debt.

                    "Our purpose in doing this, aside from helping some people along the way – there's certainly many, many people who are very thankful that their debts are abolished – our primary purpose was to spread information about the workings of this secondary debt market."

                    The group has focussed on buying medical debt, and has acquired the $14.7m in three separate purchases, most recently spending $13.5m on medical debt owed by 2,693 people across 45 states and Puerto Rico, Rolling Jubilee said in a press release.

                    “No one should have to go into debt or bankruptcy because they get sick,” said Laura Hanna, an organiser with the group. Hanna said 62% of all personal bankruptcies have medical debt as a contributing factor.

                    Due to the nature of the debt market, the group is unable to specify whose debt it purchases, taking on the amounts before it discovers individuals’ iden******. When Rolling Jubilee has bought the debt they send notes to their debtors “telling them they’re off the hook”, Ross said.

                    Ross, whose book, Creditocracy and the case for debt refusal, outlines the problems of the debt industry and calls for a “debtors’ movement” to resist credit, said the group had received letters from people whose debt they had lifted thanking them for the service. But the real victory was in spreading knowledge of the nature of the debt industry, he said.

                    "Very few people know how cheaply their debts have been bought by collectors. It changes the psychology of the debtor, knowing this.

                    “So when you get called up by the debt collector, and you're being asked to pay the full amount of your debt, you now know that the debt collector has bought your debt very, very cheaply. As cheaply as we bought it. And that gives you moral ammunition to have a different conversation with the debt collector."
                    Awesome...

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