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  • #21
    Originally posted by hougigo View Post
    Here's what doesn't make sense to me, now it seems like double testing was never an option...at last with USADA and VADA.
    Bradley's doing it right now with VADA and NSAC
    Oh yeah it was never in there. Heads are rolling on Team Bradley side or they should be. Bob proving once again that he is one tricky snake. Take your eyes off him for one second and youll wake up missing a kidney.

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    • #22
      Originally posted by Fetta View Post
      Oh yeah it was never in there. Heads are rolling on Team Bradley side or they should be. Bob proving once again that he is one tricky snake. Take your eyes off him for one second and youll wake up missing a kidney.
      According to Bob, they never named an agency by name, it just said independent agency

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      • #23
        Originally posted by Verstyle View Post
        So if he passes all the tests with flying colors you still are gonna claim he is juicing?

        Of course. This is a classic case of confirmation bias. This refers to when a person eagerly accepts a claim that supports their position while dismissing any evidence that goes against their position. Marquez can pass all tests, be on OST (24, 365) and you will still get people saying that he is juicing. Yet lets say, Marquez begins to lose his hair, people who think he is on PEDs will say its because he is juicing, when the more likely explanation is he is losing his hair due to aging. Of course, people who are adament that Marquez is clean will accept every clean test but if he fails one test they are likely to dismiss it or say it is a comspiracy, false positive, or something else.

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        • #24
          I just find it funny the exact same people claiming JMM is juicing were the same ones saying Manny didn't ever have to take OST'S of any kind and LET THE COMMISSION DO THEIR JOBS.

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          • #25
            I really like the idea of NSAC handling the extra random testing. You don't have to worry about USADA/VADA not handing over the results to commission and you don't have to worry about USADA vs VADA pissing contests. As long as they use a WADA accredited lab and follow the WADA protocol, it's all good. And once again, Pacquiao is proven right. Just let the commission do their job.

            The only advantage to VADA is that we know for sure carbon isotope ratio testing is used on every sample. I found some quotes from the executive director of the Sports Medicine Research and Testing Lab (the lab for Marquez-Bradley) that shows his support for using CIR in every sample though.
            "(The isotope test) is the only way we can definitively say whether someone took exogenous testosterone," said Daniel Eichner, executive director of the WADA-approved Sports Medicine Research and Testing Laboratory in Salt Lake City.

            He said requiring labs to run the isotope ratio test on every sample would probably reduce the number of samples that testing programs could run overall.

            But, he said, if time and money were not an issue, universal IRMS testing could potentially improve testing programs.

            "The more tests you can do, the better a chance you have of catching people," said Eichner. "If time and money were not an issue, of course, do it on every one of them."
            http://www.medpagetoday.com/TheGupta...hopedics/40446

            Supposedly Arum payed 35k for the testing so money hopefully shouldn't be an issue to use CIR on every sample.
            Last edited by DoktorSleepless; 08-07-2013, 09:38 PM.

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            • #26
              Originally posted by DoktorSleepless View Post
              I really like the idea of NSAC handling the extra random testing. You don't have to worry about USADA/VADA not handing over the results to commission and you don't have to worry about USADA vs VADA pissing contests. As long as they use a WADA accredited lab and follow the WADA protocol, it's all good. And once again, Pacquiao is proven right. Just let the commission do their job.

              The only advantage to VADA is that we know for sure carbon isotope ratio testing is used on every sample. I found some quotes from the executive director of the Sports Medicine Research and Testing Lab (the lab for Marquez-Bradley) that shows his support for using CIR in every sample thought .

              http://www.medpagetoday.com/TheGupta...hopedics/40446

              Supposedly Arum payed 35k for the testing so money hopefully shouldn't be an issue to use CIR on every sample.
              Thats the big thing. How much will CIR testing be used? hopefully evry time. Props to the fighters for getting it done

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              • #27
                Originally posted by DoktorSleepless View Post
                I really like the idea of NSAC handling the extra random testing. You don't have to worry about USADA/VADA not handing over the results to commission and you don't have to worry about USADA vs VADA pissing contests. As long as they use a WADA accredited lab and follow the WADA protocol, it's all good. And once again, Pacquiao is proven right. Just let the commission do their job.

                The only advantage to VADA is that we know for sure carbon isotope ratio testing is used on every sample. I found some quotes from the executive director of the Sports Medicine Research and Testing Lab (the lab for Marquez-Bradley) that shows his support for using CIR in every sample though.

                http://www.medpagetoday.com/TheGupta...hopedics/40446

                Supposedly Arum payed 35k for the testing so money hopefully shouldn't be an issue to use CIR on every sample.
                Well, let's sit back and see what NSAC does

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                • #28
                  Does any one feel like USADA is kind of scared of being double checked by another agency? The whole, "we dont test when other agencies test because it might cause confusion" just doesn't wash.

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by ManUtd626 View Post
                    Does any one feel like USADA is kind of scared of being double checked by another agency? The whole, "we dont test when other agencies test because it might cause confusion" just doesn't wash.
                    Yup, thats it 100%. Im not sure why it is their business who tests the other fighter. You're job is to take samples and test them for prohibited substances, but politics are taking over.

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                    • #30
                      why is tim wasting his own money on those additional tests?

                      just admit you didnt read the contract!!!!!!! LOL

                      his bluff was called a long time ago. he was fat and wanted to get out of the fight.

                      he thought jmm would not agree to anything. he could never give any legit reason why WADA protocol should not be used...just errr umm i ii want to use vada.

                      he made jmm look bad even though his signature has been on the contract this whole time!!!! tim is on the decline as it is, and he was fat. nothing but controversy and whining around this dudes fights

                      it will be fitting a true legend will KTFO him for his troubles!!!

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