Shane Mosley NEVER tested Positive for steroids!

[~GOAT~]

i personally think pac may be using steroids or HGH or whatever but untill he takes a olympic style drug test that can detect it ... i find him guilty

[madsweeney]

Dr. Don H. Catlin, the head of the Los Angeles-based non-profit Anti-Doping Research, Inc., said a 24-day cutoff for blood testing is not sufficient to prevent abuse. One of the concerns with such a long blood-testing cutoff prior to the date of competition would be the potential use of Erythropoietin, or EPO.

But Catlin said that wouldn’t be the only concern if there were a 24-day cutoff imposed.

“If you have a 24-day window that’s free, with no testing, you can take whatever you want and you’re not going to get caught, end of story,” Catlin said. “[Urine testing] does matter, yes, but they’re not going to catch everything by urine testing alone. What you would do is to take Mircera [a type of EPO], which is available and which is not easy to detect in urine and away you go. You need a blood test.”

Blood tests didn't find anything in Marion Jones, so while better than urine alone, even blood tests aren't enough.

good point with Mircera, something the Olympics have never been tested for.

[General Zod]

i personally think pac may be using steroids or HGH or whatever but untill he takes a olympic style drug test that can detect it ... i find him guilty

Whats your view on the other active fighters who have never taken ost before a fight?

[madsweeney]

i personally think pac may be using steroids or HGH or whatever but untill he takes a olympic style drug test that can detect it ... i find him guilty

Its too bad nobody cares what your ignorant opinion is.

[VERDUGO]

This is what a boxer who does steroids looks like.



This is not.

All Natural.

[manok uli]

He never tested positive .. he OPENLY admitted to using steroids




get your facts straight son

He was FORCED to admit, NOT OPENLY. Otherwise he would have went to prison.

Get your facts straight SON.

[Carpe Diem]

[Carpe Diem]

Goodman: The problem is that you know that fighters are smart, and the people that handle them are smart. Not to say that there are a lot of cheaters out there. Now, we're just talking about anabolic steroids.

But those that were using, often the drugs would be out of their system so that when there was a fighter that was caught, it wasn't necessarily because the testing was so fabulous, and that it's so pervasive, and we're doing the right drug-testing, etc., but because somebody didn't stop using the drugs in time.

FH: What do you mean they stopped using the drug in time?

Goodman: There are other performance enhancing drugs that are not being tested for and that's the problem currently. But as far as anabolic steroids, they are used in either a 'Stacking' form, or a 'Pyramiding' form. In other words, usually if a fighter is caught, they usually have more than one drug in their system -- that's typical.

I've seen that in Nevada, I've seen that in California, and I've seen that in other states. To accomplish what an athlete wants to accomplish with the use of anabolic steroids, you have to take different ones. And you take them at different times during your training.

So, you might start with one drug, and then as your training goes on, maybe a month or two in advance you start adding another drug in. And, later on, you take that first drug off. So there may be three or four anabolic drugs that an individual is using -- maybe more in some cases, perhaps less in others.

But depending on what they want to accomplish with those particular drugs -- and each one has a specific profile of what it can help you with -- there are tons of these things. Some people want to build on muscle, some people just want to be able to recover from injury so that they can train more.

It just depends on what the individual wants. So the drugs are done in a 'Stacking' form, or in a 'Pyramiding' form, where you build and build and build on the drugs. And then, at some point, in the middle of your training, you're maybe on four drugs and then you start to drop them off.

FH: So if a boxer were to drop off of them, will those drugs still have that desired effect when he fights?

Goodman: Yes. But they may not be detected in your system. And that's because every particular drug -- whether it's over the counter, a pfescription drug, or an illegal drug -- has a certain half-life. And that refers to how long the drug is really effective in your system.

Depending on the half-life or the time that the drug stays in your system, there's another time that applies to when it can be detected on a drug screen.

FH: Do you have any example of drugs that might not be detectable after being off of it for a while?

Goodman: Yes. One of those drugs would be Winstrol, the drug that Fernando Vargas tested positive for. That one is a readily-used anabolic steroid.

As a matter of fact, when we first started looking at that one, which is obviously included in the drug screen, it was one of the most commonly-used anabolic steroids in high school kids who wanted to lose weight. It was also one of the most commonly used among high school girls who wanted to lose weight but to be cut -- to be a little bit muscular.

FH: So is that a weight-loss drug?

Goodman: It's not a weight-loss drug, it's an anabolic steroid that helps build strength and help you look more cut, but which will not add weight on. Some of the anabolic steroids have estrogen in them, which is a female hormone that will put weight on.

There is one that puts weight on and adds strength called Deca-Durabolin. But Deca was one of the most commonly-used ones for weightlifters, wrestling guys -- like WWE-type guys -- because that would put on big muscle mass.

FH: Would you think that a boxer would benefit from this?

Goodman: Not that particular type. We've seen those more in the mixed martial artists. And this is the other bag of worms: If you start doing more widespread and pervasive drug-testing as far as performance enhancing drugs, you've got to start thinking about who is going to turn up positive.

I would say that, statistically, at least in the state of California, they were catching a lot more mixed martial artists for their drug-testing than they were boxers as far as anabolic steroids are concerned.

The most important thing to understand is that anabolic steroids, for a boxer, are not typically used for muscle. They're used to help them train harder, more often and to help them recover from injury. That's the use of an anabolic steroid in a fighter. But this is going to affect both sports if the drug-testing is advanced and expanded.

FH: Have you seen any evidence of that?

Goodman: Oh yeah. oh yeah. I think that it's widespread. But I think that it's also widespread with other drugs now, and I think that what's happening is not that people are going away from anabolic steroids, but that they're going to other drugs in combination so that we're not detecting anabolic steroids and these other drugs.

Because that's what they're using as well and those are being tested for.

FH: Was blood-testing ever considered for implementation by the Nevada Commission during your tenure?

Goodman: Blood-testing, number one, it's not convenient. You would have to have a doctor or a certified technician or a nurse draw the blood. There is more risk of infection, you have to worry about handling it the correct way. So it would take a lot more to draw blood, but for most things, urine tests are adequate.

If you're going to be checking for drugs of abuse like narcotics, pain drugs and stimulants, then urine tests are just as good. And you can test for anabolic steroids in urine tests, which are good too. That's not so much the problem.

But if you want to check for everything that you need to check for, given the current situation of drugs that are being abused by athletes to enhance their performances, then you should check for everything that you can check for, which does include things that can only be checked in the blood.

You can look back at Shane Mosley's decision over Oscar De La Hoya. During that time, he was using EPO (erythropoietin). EPO, we talked about that when I was there. But at the time, there wasn't a great way to check for it, and the test was very costly.

But there are other ways that athletes can blood-dope besides EPO. Athletes can do auto-transfusions, which is re-transfusing their own blood. You take it out maybe a month or two before a contest, and then you go train, and then, close to the contest time, you re-infuse that blood, and that will increase your blood count with your own blood.

You could test for blood-doping by repeatedly checking somebody's blood count or saying that somebody can't compete if their blood count is above a certain amount -- and that's what they do in cycling, and I think that's what they do in the Olympics.

If you have too high of a blood count, you're not allowed to compete until your blood count comes back down. Well, you say, 'What's the big deal about that, if you can do it naturally?' People can train at high altitudes and get their blood count up.

The reason why EPO is such a problem is that it can cause heart attack or stroke. It's not just about whether someone is cheating, there are other risks.

FH: So there are lots of drugs that a fighter can take prior to competing that would be out of his systemp prior to the match?

Goodman: There are many anabolic steroids that will do the same thing, it's just a question of when you stop them. How would somebody know all of this? The average person can go on the internet and type in 'half-life, anabolic steroids,' and they can get plenty of information as to how long these things stay in your system.

And there are individuals out there who will design a program. They'll ask, 'When is your competition,' and they'll design a program to make sure that they'll get the benefits from the drugs, but the drugs won't be in their system when they're drug-tested.

Obviously, the BALCO situation brought everything to a head. But there are many, many, many individuals out there who are physicians, who are chemists, who are working with athletes and designing special programs of what they need to take and when, when they need to stop it. And it's a very expensive process.

But the average Joe can go on the internet and pull up a lot of this stuff too. There are books and journals and things like that that you can get that will lay it out for you on how to do it.

http://boxing.fanhouse.com/2010/01/0...le-for-boxing/

[Vasyl’s dad]

The female in my sig,


never tested positive for steroids.


Guess what method she was tested under?

[~GOAT~]

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