I'm pretty sure it does but I'm looking for clarification.
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Does a no-contest count as a title defense?
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I'm not positive and I wouldn't think it would, but people do tend to count Hopkins' first fight with Robert Allen as a legitimate title defense.
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Originally posted by Jim Jeffries View PostI'm not positive and I wouldn't think it would, but people do tend to count Hopkins' first fight with Robert Allen as a legitimate title defense.
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Not sure off-hand what the correct answer is, but I absolutely believe an NC should not be counted towards title defenses. Looks pretty self-evident to me.
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Originally posted by Sweet Jesus View PostYes. I've only seen one instance of BoxRec not treating a no contest as a title defense. At the same time, if a draw is a title defense, I don't really see anything wrong with a no contest being a title defense too. As long as there is an opening bell.
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Originally posted by JAB5239 View PostThan again there are situations like Toney-Ruiz where Toney initially won only to have the official verdict made a ND because of testing positive for juice. Can we really count that as a title defense for John Ruiz?
Both BoxRec and Wikipedia credit Ruiz with a title defense for the no decision against Toney. Then again they are both user-edited websites so who knows...
http://boxrec.com/media/index.php?title=Fight:929781
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ns#Heavyweight
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BoxRec isn't the final word on it. A no contest has traditionally been treated as if it never happend.....quite literally NO contest. Quite frankly I've never heard of no contests being treated as title defenses.
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Originally posted by Sweet Jesus View PostRuiz didn't cheat.
Both BoxRec and Wikipedia credit Ruiz with a title defense for the no decision against Toney. Then again they are both user-edited websites so who knows...
http://boxrec.com/media/index.php?title=Fight:929781
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ns#Heavyweight
What Im saying is Ruiz was thoroughly out boxed and beaten in that fight, Had Toney not tested positive the discussion would be moot. I just can't see a way to validate a successful defense in Ruiz's favor when he was clearly beaten, albeit by cheating. A no contest is the best decision, in my opinion, in this scenario.
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Originally posted by poet682006 View PostBoxRec isn't the final word on it. A no contest has traditionally been treated as if it never happend.....quite literally NO contest. Quite frankly I've never heard of no contests being treated as title defenses.
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