Rocky Marciano is very overrated IMO

[butterfly1964]

I think he means technique.

alright, but foreman had skills.

[Imira]

Well, Rocky did beat every man placed in front of him. If he had lost to any of those fighters, he'd get disrespected even more than he does now.

49 wins in a row with no defeats in his entire career is difficult to achieve. No matter what the opposition.

[Kid Achilles]

Marciano would have no chance against Foreman and yet Frazier would murder Lennox Lewis? Frazier was a one-handed pudgy Marciano with a worse chin and a poorer defense. I don't like to discredit the greats, and Frazier is one of my favorite champions, but Marciano > Frazier. I think even he would agree with me.

The extra weight on Frazier was fat. Put him at Marciano's bf% and he weighs exactly the same as Marciano. He was not a stronger man by any stretch of the imagination. People who have Marciano caving in one round to Lennox Lewis while announcing that Frazier would fare differently astound me with their biases.

[Imira]

Frazier did have two-fisted power. He relied on his left hook to lead and finish, but his right hand was just as powerful as his left.

[Kid Achilles]

Frazier's right hand wasn't awful, and perhaps it was a bit above average, but it was pretty tame stuff compared to that beautiful left hook.

To put it another way, I think Marciano's left hook was better than Frazier's right.

[Da Iceman]

marciano's whole arsenal was better than fraziers

[butterfly1964]

Marciano would have no chance against Foreman and yet Frazier would murder Lennox Lewis? Frazier was a one-handed pudgy Marciano with a worse chin and a poorer defense. I don't like to discredit the greats, and Frazier is one of my favorite champions, but Marciano > Frazier. I think even he would agree with me.

The extra weight on Frazier was fat. Put him at Marciano's bf% and he weighs exactly the same as Marciano. He was not a stronger man by any stretch of the imagination. People who have Marciano caving in one round to Lennox Lewis while announcing that Frazier would fare differently astound me with their biases.

lewis was not a heavy puncher, and frazier was known to do well against big fighters, look what he did to buster mathis!

[butterfly1964]

Marciano would have no chance against Foreman and yet Frazier would murder Lennox Lewis? Frazier was a one-handed pudgy Marciano with a worse chin and a poorer defense. I don't like to discredit the greats, and Frazier is one of my favorite champions, but Marciano > Frazier. I think even he would agree with me.

The extra weight on Frazier was fat. Put him at Marciano's bf% and he weighs exactly the same as Marciano. He was not a stronger man by any stretch of the imagination. People who have Marciano caving in one round to Lennox Lewis while announcing that Frazier would fare differently astound me with their biases.

uh, excuse me? frazier in his prime was 205lbs of pure muscle! he was a slightly skinnier version of mike tyson.

[Kid Achilles]

Lewis was an extremely heavy puncher. His right hand has been one of the most feared punches in heavyweight boxing in the last ten years. Where have you been??

Also Frazier was certainly not all muscle. He was pretty soft all around in terms of his physique. He didn't have a gut or anything, but he wasn't ripped like Tyson or even Marciano at all. Look at how chubby his arms were.

[KingAbdullah]

Achilles, can you guess who I am?