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Is Andre Ward comparible to Pre-Pacquiao Tim Bradley?
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Originally posted by The Evil 1-2 View PostSure, he has been competing at a high level and has won. However, I disagree to an extreme degree about him being a "well-rounded" fighter. Bradley wins based on pressure alone. His opponents typically wilt, which leads to their downfall.
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Originally posted by The Evil 1-2 View PostSure, he has been competing at a high level and has won. However, I disagree to an extreme degree about him being a "well-rounded" fighter. Bradley wins based on pressure alone. His opponents typically wilt, which leads to their downfall.
Have you seen his fight with Lamont PEDerson,bruh?
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Originally posted by The Evil 1-2 View PostFirst and foremost, I would say his lack of power is definitely a concern for him and his fans. Secondly, he doesn't seem to handle fighting backwards very well, which was evident in the Pacquiao fight.
Bradley did floor Lamont Petersen, and dropped Cassamayor about 5 times, granted he's not shown real power agaisnt opposition known to be durable, but neither has ward.
When has ward faced anyone with the hand and foot speed, power and agression of Manny Pacquiao?
Froch, no
kessler, no
abraham, the power, but DEFINATLEY not the rest
Dawson, no
oh, and also when has ward gone up in weight, and faced someone like that?Last edited by Earl-Hickey; 01-21-2013, 06:27 AM.
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Originally posted by bojangles1987 View PostHe has won a lot of fights moving forward, mainly because he's the shorter man and that's the role he's forced into. I've also seen him fight 9 rounds moving backwards and counter punching against Lamont Peterson and dominate him. I've seen him time fighters outside, and crush them inside. He's deceivingly hard to hit clean. He's a very smart fighter that finds a strategy that works and besides Pacquiao has won convincingly in every fight. He wins on much more than pressure and conditioning.
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Wow Bradley is getting some hate here. I think he's far better than what he's being made out to be. Inactivity is hurting him more than anything. His defense is good, he leads with his head making him very hard to hit flush on the chin (also creates nasty headbutts that benefit him). He mixes in boxing with roughhouse tactics on the inside, and that's something Ward does better than anybody.
That said, I do think there's a big gap in skill. Ward fights very well in a southpaw stance as well as orthodox, his punches have more pop, they're also prettier and more accurate, his footwork is superior, and he's very good at lulling his opponents to sleep and reducing their output. Both box in and out at times, and that's another thing Ward does better than him. So they're both students of the game and I do see similarities, but in the way that Roy Jones and Vinny Paz have similar fighting styles, but aren't really the same in skill.
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Originally posted by The Evil 1-2 View PostHis forte is composed of forward pressure and conditioning. You practically admit this in your first statement that "he has won a lot of fights moving forward..." This description of a "very smart fighter" timing opponents on the outside and being "deceptively hard to hit clean" is not indicative of Bradley's style at all. Sure, he MAY have shown these elements in the Peterson fight, but that's ONE FIGHT that you can really think of in recent memory.
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Originally posted by Spiegelo View PostWow Bradley is getting some hate here. I think he's far better than what he's being made out to be.
It's getting ridiculous now, if you say something that could possibly be construed as negative about Ward, they flood in raging.
I've not anywhere said Bradley is better, or even as good as Ward, but it hasn't gone down well.
And Bradley is a top 10 p4p guy ffs
Who are we allowed to discuss Ward in the same breath as now?
Ali?
Sugar Ray?
God?
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Originally posted by The Evil 1-2 View PostHis forte is composed of forward pressure and conditioning. You practically admit this in your first statement that "he has won a lot of fights moving forward..." This description of a "very smart fighter" timing opponents on the outside and being "deceptively hard to hit clean" is not indicative of Bradley's style at all. Sure, he MAY have shown these elements in the Peterson fight, but that's ONE FIGHT that you can really think of in recent memory.
Even his pressure is different depending on the opponent. He was high volume against Holt, yet calculating and throwing one punch at a time against Alexander. Whatever works, Bradley can do it outside of against very elite fighters.
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