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  • Defector admits to WMD lies that triggered Iraq war

    • Man codenamed Curveball 'invented' tales of bioweapons
    • Iraqi told lies to try to bring down Saddam Hussein regime
    • Fabrications used by US as justification for invasion

    Martin Chulov and Helen Pidd in Karlsruhe
    guardian.co.uk,
    Tuesday 15 February 2011 12.58 GMT

    The defector who convinced the White House that Iraq had a secret biological weapons programme has admitted for the first time that he lied about his story, then watched in shock as it was used to justify the war.

    Rafid Ahmed Alwan al-Janabi, codenamed Curveball by German and American intelligence officials who dealt with his claims, has told the Guardian that he fabricated tales of mobile bioweapons trucks and clandestine factories in an attempt to bring down the Saddam Hussein regime, from which he had fled in 1995.

    "Maybe I was right, maybe I was not right," he said. "They gave me this chance. I had the chance to fabricate something to topple the regime. I and my sons are proud of that and we are proud that we were the reason to give Iraq the margin of democracy."

    The admission comes just after the eighth anniversary of Colin Powell's speech to the United Nations in which the then-US secretary of state relied heavily on lies that Janabi had told the German secret service, the BND. It also follows the release of former defence secretary Donald Rumsfeld's memoirs, in which he admitted Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction programme.

    The careers of both men were seriously damaged by their use of Janabi's claims, which he now says could have been – and were – discredited well before Powell's landmark speech to the UN on 5 February 2003.

    The former CIA chief in Europe Tyler Drumheller describes Janabi's admission as "fascinating", and said the emergence of the truth "makes me feel better". "I think there are still a number of people who still thought there was something in that. Even now," said Drumheller.

    In the only other at length interview Janabi has given he denied all knowledge of his supposed role in helping the US build a case for invading Saddam's Iraq.

    In a series of meetings with the Guardian in Germany where he has been granted asylum, he said he had told a German official, who he identified as Dr Paul, about mobile bioweapons trucks throughout 2000. He said the BND had identified him as a Baghdad-trained chemical engineer and approached him shortly after 13 March of that year, looking for inside information about Saddam's Iraq.

    "I had a problem with the Saddam regime," he said. "I wanted to get rid of him and now I had this chance."

    He portrays the BND as gullible and so eager to tease details from him that they gave him a Perry's Chemical Engineering Handbook to help communicate. He still has the book in his small, rented flat in Karlsruhe, south-west Germany.

    "They were asking me about pumps for filtration, how to make detergent after the reaction," he said. "Any engineer who studied in this field can explain or answer any question they asked."

    Janabi claimed he was first exposed as a liar as early as mid-2000, when the BND travelled to a Gulf city, believed to be Dubai, to speak with his former boss at the Military Industries Commission in Iraq, Dr Bassil Latif.

    The Guardian has learned separately that British intelligence officials were at that meeting, investigating a claim made by Janabi that Latif's son, who was studying in Britain, was procuring weapons for Saddam.

    That claim was proven false, and Latif strongly denied Janabi's claim of mobile bioweapons trucks and another allegation that 12 people had died during an accident at a secret bioweapons facility in south-east Baghdad.

    The German officials returned to confront him with Latif's version. "He says, 'There are no trucks,' and I say, 'OK, when [Latif says] there no trucks then [there are none],'" Janabi recalled.

    He said the BND did not contact him again until the end of May 2002. But he said it soon became clear that he was still being taken seriously.

    He claimed the officials gave him an incentive to speak by implying that his then pregnant Moroccan-born wife may not be able to travel from Spain to join him in Germany if he did not co-operate with them. "He says, you work with us or your wife and child go to Morocco."

    The meetings continued throughout 2002 and it became apparent to Janabi that a case for war was being constructed. He said he was not asked again about the bioweapons trucks until a month before Powell's speech.

    After the speech, Janabi said he called his handler at the BND and accused the secret service of breaking an agreement that they would not share anything he had told them with another country. He said he was told not to speak and placed in confinement for around 90 days.

    With the US now leaving Iraq, Janabi said he was comfortable with what he did, despite the chaos of the past eight years and the civilian death toll in Iraq, which stands at more than 100,000.

    "I tell you something when I hear anybody – not just in Iraq but in any war – [is] killed, I am very sad. But give me another solution. Can you give me another solution?

    "Believe me, there was no other way to bring about freedom to Iraq. There were no other possibilities."

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    Thousands of innocent men, women, children, and animals killed over lies to justify going to war.

  • #2
    Big deal, I'm pretty sure they needed no confirmation whatsoever. They would have found a way to spin it one way or another.

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    • #3
      Interesting read.

      But if it was all a lie then why did Saddam refuse to give in the nuclear weapons?

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      • #4
        Why dis Sadam have to give anything to anyone?

        Do the US have to all die because Osama wants that?

        End of the day, I recall Iraq saying they do not have weapons. Even if they did, would it ever reach the US? Hell no, missiles can't go that far.

        The question is, why attack Iraq? Oil.

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        • #5
          Before any fool comes back to me about Sadam being cruel or that I ammwrong about oil, then why is President Mugabe able to ethically clense Zimbawe from whites and white farmers? And also why is the North Korean president still alive and kicking?

          Because those countries have nothing worse spending trillions for.

          Iraq and Afghanistan have cost over a trillion.

          Afghanistan because NY was attacked.

          Iraq was innocent, and many lives have been lost on both sides which were not needed.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by PandaKilla View Post
            Why dis Sadam have to give anything to anyone?

            Do the US have to all die because Osama wants that?

            End of the day, I recall Iraq saying they do not have weapons. Even if they did, would it ever reach the US? Hell no, missiles can't go that far.

            The question is, why attack Iraq? Oil.
            The US gained nothing from that war, oil or otherwise.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Tengoshi View Post
              The US gained nothing from that war, oil or otherwise.
              Stop chatting shiet about things you don't know.

              The US may have spent billions on the war, but tha is just a debt they can add onto the huge debt they have.

              The US has oil consumption much greater than any country today, and relies on it.



              American advisers dictated with Iraqi contractors and many contracts went to Western firms, which have huge shares that are owned by Americans.



              Debt is just a number, but the world runs on oil.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by PandaKilla View Post
                Stop chatting shiet about things you don't know.

                The US may have spent billions on the war, but tha is just a debt they can add onto the huge debt they have.

                The US has oil consumption much greater than any country today, and relies on it.



                American advisers dictated with Iraqi contractors and many contracts went to Western firms, which have huge shares that are owned by Americans.


                Debt is just a number, but the world runs on oil.
                Oil prices are horrendous in the US and have been for a decade with no improvement, only worsening. If they got all that phat loot where has it gone? Yeah, the people are really seeing that benefit. LOL @ you telling anyone to stop talking about anything Mr. Misinformation.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Tengoshi View Post
                  Oil prices are horrendous in the US and have been for a decade with no improvement, only worsening. If they got all that phat loot where has it gone? Yeah, the people are really seeing that benefit. LOL @ you telling anyone to stop talking about anything Mr. Misinformation.
                  Who said oil prices went Down?

                  I said the got the contracts, which meant the western companies got the oil, and could supply to the US, however they are businesses that make money.

                  China and Russia would be the other countries that would have gotten the services.

                  To get a deal of oil means you have the supply. Oil is running out, and becoming harder to extract, so it won't go down unless there is another huge recession and peoplemcan not afford petrol/gas in the masses.


                  To say the US did not benefit at all has showed me you are dumb, and that Kevin owned your ass in the debate about a baseball guy. I know nothing of baseball, but clearly that person he talked about did start or play a game. I forgot it now, but he made you cry.

                  You seem to chat like you know something, but you're just quite simply a dumb ****.

                  If the Us didn't getthe contracts, I am pretty certain gas would be even more expensive.

                  Simple supply and demand you dumbie.

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                  • #10
                    The US has 5 % of the worlds population but has 25% of the worlds oil consumption.

                    It simply needs oil, because it would be totally ****ed.

                    Iraq has the third most oil reserves in the world.

                    If they wanted to listen to one man on this issue of weapons of mass destruction, even though his son said it was a bullshiet story, then they best believe in aliens right?

                    Hell no, they gained a heavy hand into Iraq, placed 'democracy' and have had oil contracts basically handed to them.

                    Oil is where it's at until a new source of energy can be found, that is effective to implement and use, withot being too costly.

                    Oil is still what runs the world. The US did benefit.

                    Don't think that gas didn't go down mean you didn't benefit, it just meant that prices didn't go up, but I ammsure it will start to jump, because reading a recent article now, Iraq has finally been free of political pressure from the US, and China and Russia will start getting the contracts.

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