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how come floyd avoiding margs for baldomir was a smart business move but ggg cant...
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Originally posted by The Akbar One View PostFloyd already had several years worth of facing top contenders and the best opposition under his belt. Floyd's opposition the first 34 fights of his career is 180 degrees opposite of Golovkin's. He actually fought the fights.
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Originally posted by daggum View Postfloyd fans still pretending floyd didn't duck marg?
he was offered 7 million but he fought sharmba for 4 million, then zab for 5 million. that's called ducking. then during the next round of negotiations he would have fought marg but he wanted a 20 million guarantee for the oscar fight...he only got a 10 million guarantee when he actually fought oscar. its like quillin saying he wants 10 million to fight ggg. not possible and everyone knew it wasn't possible. 3 different times he ducked the fight. just choose one! floyd fans can't choose any because they are fanboys so what do you expect.
You gennady groupies love talking bidness when it comes to why gg shouldn't fight ward. But Floyd makes a good move and he's wrong for it.
"Arum said he was simply not interested in participating in a De La Hoya-Mayweather fight, but not because of his distaste for De La Hoya.
"I don't want to, because if I did that fight, I would be working for such a small percentage, it's not worth it," he said."
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Originally posted by about.thousands View PostBecause the Baldomir fight was for the lineal title. We criticizing fighters for fighting for lineal titles now? The "dangerous" Margarito went on to get outboxed by Paul Williams doing a poor mans Mayweather impression.
so marg wasn't dangerous? why did floyd fight lesser fightes for less money then? because people were trying to make him lose as he puts it.
williams did not do a poor mans floyd impression. he threw a ton of punches with a 7 inch reach advantage over floyd. floyd doesn't do that. he picks his shots. hell crappy baldomir was constantly getting him to the ropes but he couldn't capitalize since he's a basic fighter who doesn't have the punch variety of marg, or the work rate, or the power, but he was lineal so yea
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Originally posted by daggum View Postyou really think that was the reason...
so marg wasn't dangerous? why did floyd fight lesser fightes for less money then? because people were trying to make him lose as he puts it.
williams did not do a poor mans floyd impression. he threw a ton of punches with a 7 inch reach advantage over floyd. floyd doesn't do that. he picks his shots. hell crappy baldomir was constantly getting him to the ropes but he couldn't capitalize since he's a basic fighter who doesn't have the punch variety of marg, or the work rate, or the power, but he was lineal so yea
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You seem to forget that Floyd was having a lot of problems with Bob Arum and wanted it to leave him and be on his own, and he knew that Arum was going to make sure that Margarito gets the win if they fought before Mayweather leaves him, this way he's passed the torch from Floyd to his next possible mexican star Margarito, Arum did something a bit similar with Pacquiao Bradley I cuz Pacquiao's contract was about to run out, so what Floyd did was in retrospect a smart decision to dump Arum who was very bad for Floyd's career at the time, be on his own, and fight the next best possible welterweight who wasn't with Bob Arum who Floyd had just quit fighting for and was suing at the time, and that guy was the Lineal 147 champion at the time Carlos Baldomir who was coming off the biggest win of his career.
Floyd himself said this before but people didn't listen and he didn't care, this decision is what helped Floyd become the superstar that he became after being stuck with Bob Arum for 9 years and getting to be in only 2 PPV fights and making much less than he deserved, for someone with Floyd's talent, olympic pedigree, backstory and persona, he should've become a PPV star much earlier than he did, he was just with the wrong people and we saw the difference when he got with the right people.
GGG is not having promotional problems as far as I know, and 160 isn't his 4th weight class either, so the 2 situations aren'T even comprabale.
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Originally posted by HanzGruber View PostYou just love spewing bs don't you lol. http://espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=2420382
You gennady groupies love talking bidness when it comes to why gg shouldn't fight ward. But Floyd makes a good move and he's wrong for it.
"Arum said he was simply not interested in participating in a De La Hoya-Mayweather fight, but not because of his distaste for De La Hoya.
"I don't want to, because if I did that fight, I would be working for such a small percentage, it's not worth it," he said."
floyd made a good move by fighting judah for 5 millino instead of marg for 7? really now?
your comprehension is low. very low. its like you read things without understanding what they are even saying. floyd asked for a 20 million guarantee. of course arum would be working with such a small percentage if he agreed to that. we know this for a fact because when floyd actually fought oscar he was more than happy to accept a 10 million guarantee. there's much less risk in giving a guy 10 million as opposed to 20 millino. so the one who essentially killed the fight was once again floyd. if floyd had agreed to something reasonable like 10 million when he was with top rank, arum would not have to say he would be working for such a small percentage and would be more likely to do the fight. so stop trying to blame arum simply because he understands numbers and you don't. it was floyd who asked for the unreasonable guarantee which torpedoed the fight.
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Originally posted by Dip_Slide View PostYou seem to forget that Floyd was having a lot of problems with Bob Arum and wanted it to leave him and be on his own, and he knew that Arum was going to make sure that Margarito gets the win if they fought before Mayweather leaves him, this way he's passed the torch from Floyd to his next possible mexican star Margarito, Arum did something a bit similar with Pacquiao Bradley I cuz Pacquiao's contract was about to run out, so what Floyd did was in retrospect a smart decision to dump Arum who was very bad for Floyd's career at the time, be on his own, and fight the next best possible welterweight who wasn't with Bob Arum who Floyd had just quit fighting for and was suing at the time, and that guy was the Lineal 147 champion at the time Carlos Baldomir who was coming off the biggest win of his career.
Floyd himself said this before but people didn't listen and he didn't care, this decision is what helped Floyd become the superstar that he became after being stuck with Bob Arum for 9 years and getting to be in only 2 PPV fights and making much less than he deserved, for someone with Floyd's talent, olympic pedigree, backstory and persona, he should've become a PPV star much earlier than he did, he was just with the wrong people and we saw the difference when he got with the right people.
GGG is not having promotional problems as far as I know, and 160 isn't his 4th weight class either, so the 2 situations aren'T even comprabale.
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Originally posted by daggum View Postfloyd made a good move by fighting sharmba for 4 million instead of marg for 7? really now?
floyd made a good move by fighting judah for 5 millino instead of marg for 7? really now?
your comprehension is low. very low. its like you read things without understanding what they are even saying. floyd asked for a 20 million guarantee. of course arum would be working with such a small percentage if he agreed to that. we know this for a fact because when floyd actually fought oscar he was more than happy to accept a 10 million guarantee. there's much less risk in giving a guy 10 million as opposed to 20 millino. so the one who essentially killed the fight was once again floyd. if floyd had agreed to something reasonable like 10 million when he was with top rank, arum would not have to say he would be working for such a small percentage and would be more likely to do the fight. so stop trying to blame arum simply because he understands numbers and you don't.
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Originally posted by Dip_Slide View PostYou seem to forget that Floyd was having a lot of problems with Bob Arum and wanted it to leave him and be on his own, and he knew that Arum was going to make sure that Margarito gets the win if they fought before Mayweather leaves him, this way he's passed the torch from Floyd to his next possible mexican star Margarito, Arum did something a bit similar with Pacquiao Bradley I cuz Pacquiao's contract was about to run out, so what Floyd did was in retrospect a smart decision to dump Arum who was very bad for Floyd's career at the time, be on his own, and fight the next best possible welterweight who wasn't with Bob Arum who Floyd had just quit fighting for and was suing at the time, and that guy was the Lineal 147 champion at the time Carlos Baldomir who was coming off the biggest win of his career.
Floyd himself said this before but people didn't listen and he didn't care, this decision is what helped Floyd become the superstar that he became after being stuck with Bob Arum for 9 years and getting to be in only 2 PPV fights and making much less than he deserved, for someone with Floyd's talent, olympic pedigree, backstory and persona, he should've become a PPV star much earlier than he did, he was just with the wrong people and we saw the difference when he got with the right people.
GGG is not having promotional problems as far as I know, and 160 isn't his 4th weight class either, so the 2 situations aren'T even comprabale.
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