If Degale Beat Froch More Impressively Than Ward Is He #1 @ 168 and P4P top 3?

[yoz]

Absolutely not. Froch is looking his age. He probably only has 1 or 2 fights left in him.

[Black Barty]

Of course, it's literally the reason Ward is where he is right now so why doesn't DeGale get that same honour, especially considering Froch is currently on the greatest roll of his career.

LOL @ all the Ward lovers saying no.

No. Froch is Ward's best win, but not his only notable win. He has wins over Kessler, Bika, Abraham and Dawson, too.

Now if, say, Nicolas Walters were to knock Donaire out in a round, you could say something like "if Rigo is top 5 P4P just because he beat Donaire, shouldn't Walters be P4P, too"? Because beating Donaire is literally the only reason Rigo is on the P4P list. But it's clearly not the case with Ward and Froch.

[soul_survivor]

Ward has other wins as well.

I'm definitely not a big Ward fan, and ive stuck up for Degale more than most over the years.

Kessler and that was a dirty, unattractive fight. The Froch win is his only convincing win over a top fighter. Who else does he have? guys who were relevant a decade ago? Heck, people on here ***** and moan about Calzaghe beating those guys handily yet for Ward it's a "deep resume" lol

Ward could have had a truly world class resume if he had two fights:

1) Dirrell but that was Dirrell being a coward so not ward's fault.

2) Lucian Bute, but Ward didn't want any of it.

[soul_survivor]

No. Froch is Ward's best win, but not his only notable win. He has wins over Kessler, Bika, Abraham and Dawson, too.

Now if, say, Nicolas Walters were to knock Donaire out in a round, you could say something like "if Rigo is top 5 P4P just because he beat Donaire, shouldn't Walters be P4P, too"? Because beating Donaire is literally the only reason Rigo is on the P4P list. But it's clearly not the case with Ward and Froch.

Kessler was one of the worst fights I have ever seen and some of the worst officiating in history, tied with Hopkins/Murat. Ward fouled his way to a win when he should have been disqualified.

Bika was relevant a decade ago and was not an impressive win. For Ward to face a guy at that stage in his career and really be a true P4P talent, he should have battered Bika pillar to post. Yet Calzaghe beat him more convincingly in a completely different era.

Abraham had already been beaten far more convincingly twice before.

Dawson...are you serious?

[Tom Cruise]

Kessler and that was a dirty, unattractive fight. The Froch win is his only convincing win over a top fighter. Who else does he have? guys who were relevant a decade ago? Heck, people on here ***** and moan about Calzaghe beating those guys handily yet for Ward it's a "deep resume" lol

Ward could have had a truly world class resume if he had two fights:

1) Dirrell but that was Dirrell being a coward so not ward's fault.

2) Lucian Bute, but Ward didn't want any of it.

Bika, Kessler, Froch, Dawson, Abraham and Green are all decent to good wins for Ward at the time he fought them.

Degale would have an older Froch and....... Gonzales? A close loss to Groves?

Come on

[Tom Cruise]

Bika not an impressive win, yet he would be the second best win on Degale's record (with a hypothetical Froch win).

[Black Barty]

Kessler was one of the worst fights I have ever seen and some of the worst officiating in history, tied with Hopkins/Murat. Ward fouled his way to a win when he should have been disqualified.

Bika was relevant a decade ago and was not an impressive win. For Ward to face a guy at that stage in his career and really be a true P4P talent, he should have battered Bika pillar to post. Yet Calzaghe beat him more convincingly in a completely different era.

Abraham had already been beaten far more convincingly twice before.

Dawson...are you serious?

1) Ward exposed Kessler's complete lack of inside fighting skill and beat him up.

2) Bika is still very much relevant, and no one has ever "battered him from pillar to post". Not even Joe, who was #2 P4P at his best.

3) I have never seen anyone beat Abe more convincingly than Ward. It wasn't spectacular, but he easily won every round and was never in any danger. Froch beat Abe up more, but was badly hurt himself in the later rounds.

4) Dawson... yes, I'm serious. Dawson was the consensus #1 at LHW at the time, with a win over Hopkins (which people like to pretend didn't happen these days).

[Bushbaby]

That's just silly.

[Tom Cruise]

"i fink Alvarez shud ov bin abov Mayweather in da rankings wen he beat Baldomir cos he knocked him out"

Said no one ever.

The only single win which puts Degale on top is Ward

[Light_Speed]

No, especially considering Ward fought Froch with a broken hand.