Why Lennox Could Be Ranked Top 3 (snapshot of an era)

[Barn]

Joe Calzaghe beat Chris Byrd in the AMs.

That makes Joe HW champ. :shootself:

that smiley is classic!

[Joeyzagz]

So you are left with:
Vitali Klitschko
David Tua
Razor Ruddock
Frank Bruno
Ray Mercer

Erasing names are we? As I told Sonny you can do this with any resume' in boxing. There is a damned question mark over every single big win Ali had; from Frazier being blind in one eye to Listons true age and mafia connections. Its a nasty can of worms and its unfair. This is why I judge resume's on face value, because there is a story behind every win/loss if you look hard enough.

Holyfield was way over the hill

In 1999 Holyfield was the best Heavyweight in the world without a question.

His losses to Rahman and McCall should keep him out of the ATG top ten. I would place him in the 11-20 range

The fact that he avenged all his losses is why you should keep him IN the top 10. Only full-time HW champ to accomplish this.

[Toney616]

The Ali Era
1. George Foreman atg-prime
2. Sonny Liston*2 atg-past prime
3. Joe Frazier*2 atg prime
4. Floyd Patterson hof past prime
5. Ken Norton*2 hof prime
6. George Chuvalo
7. Jerry Quarry
8. Earnie Shavers hof-prime
9. Jimmy Young
10. Ron Lyle hof-prime

The Lennox Era
1. Evander Holyfield atg-past prime
2. Mike Tyson hof-very past prime
3. Vitali Klitschko prime-hof?
4. Riddick Bowe
5. David Tua
6. Razor Ruddock
7. Tony Tucker
8. Frank Bruno
9. Ray Mercer
10. Tommy Morrison

Do you see the difference?

Erasing names are we? As I told Sonny you can do this with any resume' in boxing. There is a damned question mark over every single big win Ali had; from Frazier being blind in one eye

Its not the same thing. Even if the eye story is true (Futch said he never knew anything about it), it didn't stop Frazier from achieving what he did. We can prove the Frazier was still an elite fighter, so the eye thing isn't really relevant

to Listons true age and mafia connections. Its a nasty can of worms and its unfair. This is why I judge resume's on face value, because there is a story behind every win/loss if you look hard enough.

Liston was well into his forties when he fought Ali, but that didn't stop him from being the terror of the hw division
As for the mafia thing I think both of his fights with Ali are strange, but I can't prove anything so I have no choice but to accept them as above board, when evaluating Ali's resume

In 1999 Holyfield was the best Heavyweight in the world without a question.

That may be true, but he was still far from his prime which ended with the Moorer fight. He looked terrible against Bowe III and Cryz, the reason he beat Tyson was because Tyson allowed him to only fight for around 50 seconds of each round. That was his last win over a fighter above B level

The fact that he avenged all his losses is why you should keep him IN the top 10. Only full-time HW champ to accomplish this.

If he avenged losses to elite fighters sure, but he avenged losses to people he had no business losing to in the first place. What does it mean to avenge losses to fringe contenders?

[Toney616]

The Lennox Era
1. Evander Holyfield
2. Mike Tyson
3. Vitali Klitschko
4. Riddick Bowe
5. David Tua
6. Razor Ruddock
7. Tony Tucker
8. Frank Bruno
9. Ray Mercer
10. Tommy Morrison

When you trash Tyson's resume you also trash Lewis's resume. You say Tyson wasn't very good, but then you list him as a good win for Lewis. Tyson also beat Tucker, Ruddock*2 and Bruno*2