Should the U.S.( Obama) apologize for dropping the big bomb in Hiroshima?.

[Phenom]

The point of "flexing that muscle" was shocking the Japanese into surrender while preparations for a conventional land ground invasion were being made.

Again Hiroshima and Nagaski were only something like 150,000 deaths.

Imagine a years-long Germany/Vietnam-style ground campaign with millions of deaths. Japan would probably be a ****hole right now.

How is that any different than what Nazi Germany death squads like Einsatzgruppen did in Poland slaughtering civilians to avoid a long conflicts

The Japanese were crippled they had no resources or man power for continuing the war they certainly weren't a threat to invade anyone and as for "scarring them to surrender" argument if that was the goal than why not drop the bomb at military base in a jungle somewhere instead of one of the most populated cities?

Mass casualties was the objective

[Amazinger]

For sure the US government together with JP Morgan, Wall Street and other megabanks should apologize...

Not only to Japan...

But apologize to the whole effin world...

For funding Hitler's war.

Yep... it's no conspiracy folks...

It's all out in the open.

US financial institutions enabled Hitler to wage world war 2.

GTFO With you conspiracy BS.Stay with the topic...

[Amazinger]

I'm pretty sure the window of time for that has closed by quite a few decades. Though I wouldn't be opposed to some kind of on-site speech that acknowledged the darkness of that period of history while outlining our allied status and strengthened bonds in the decades that followed.

I think a speaker like Obama could get the point across without coming off as apologetic. He has an almost uncanny knack for putting that kind of stuff in to context while still sounding stately.

Well said.

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How is that any different than what Nazi Germany death squads like Einsatzgruppen did in Poland slaughtering civilians to avoid a long conflicts

What do those two situations even have in common? The US didn't atomic bomb Japan to soften them up and annex. They did it to end a 7 year war.

The Japanese were crippled they had no resources or man power for continuing the war they certainly weren't a threat to invade anyone and as for "scarring them to surrender" argument if that was the goal than why not drop the bomb at military base in a jungle somewhere instead of one of the most populated cities?

Mass casualties was the objective

Hiroshima had a heavy military presence, conventional bombing of military installations had already been taking place for a while with no sign of surrender.

If mass casualties were the objective then they did a poor job. Roughly 100k in Hiroshima and 50-60k in Nagasaki. Those are very tiny numbers by WW2 standards. In the post-atomic era those would be huge war casualties, but in WW2 there were single battles with casualties in the millions and mass civilian killings/starvation.

If the US opted for a land invasion the casualties would have been at the very least twentyfold, and that was it they surrendered after a single large siege (not going to happen).

With both sides preparing for a land invasion (the Soviets officially agreed to partake and claimed northern sections of Japan) it was the quickest cleanest way to end the war.

[MokMok V2]

GTFO With you conspiracy BS.Stay with the topic...

Errr....

It's a proven fact US banks like JPMorgan made loans to Hitler's regime along with financial firms in wall st.

In fact if you dig deeper... you'll find... yup... the name Bush.

Can't handle the truth US banks enabled Hitler?

Ron Paul knows.

[Teetotaler]

The u.s dropping the bombs is the ultimate meaning of desperate time calls for desperate measures.

[Left Hook Tua]

They would have had to physically invade Japan for years if they didn't get them to surrender with the bomb but you can't really explain that kind of stuff to hippies.

Their brains are biologically very different and they will just call you a "hater full of hatred" over and over and start shaking.

Over 60,000,000 people died in WW2. Only about 100,000 of those in Hiroshima, half that in Nagasaki.

A Vietnam-style invasion/occupation of Japan would have been millions of extra deaths and probably resulted in another decimated cold war front with the Soviets.

We never invaded, occupied vietnam.

Vietnam was 2 countries. We were fighting north vietnam, fighting with South vietnam.

[Left Hook Tua]

How is that any different than what Nazi Germany death squads like Einsatzgruppen did in Poland slaughtering civilians to avoid a long conflicts

The Japanese were crippled they had no resources or man power for continuing the war they certainly weren't a threat to invade anyone and as for "scarring them to surrender" argument if that was the goal than why not drop the bomb at military base in a jungle somewhere instead of one of the most populated cities?

Mass casualties was the objective

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They wouldn't have military infrastructure in the jungles.

2. Major industries are usually in big cities not small towns.

3. If mass civilian casualties was the goal, fire bombing Tokyo like they did is the way to go.

4. The bombs was a show of strength to show off and force surrender. They even spared bombing hiroshima and nagasaki beforehand.

[Left Hook Tua]

Doesn't really matter. The Soviet's would've rolled in and annihilated the Japanese. If the US didn't drop it, the country likely would've been split in half by West/East like Korea was.

Either way, Japanese culture has been neutered by our imperialism. Shame.

With what navy? U know Japan is an island right?

They can take Japan held china, Korea but soviets couldn't invade japan.

Japanese neutered themselves. The war was so devastating they didn't want to repeat it.

Besides ppl think of Japan as a warrior country. But the days of samurai clan wars were long gone. Most of the last century of samurai Japan was actually peaceful.

[TJ highway]

With what navy? U know Japan is an island right?

They can take Japan held china, Korea but soviets couldn't invade japan.

Japanese neutered themselves. The war was so devastating they didn't want to repeat it.

Besides ppl think of Japan as a warrior country. But the days of samurai clan wars were long gone. Most of the last century of samurai Japan was actually peaceful.

America sent a Sicilian message to the Soviets.

We got the bomb and you don't. Even with the bomb the Soviets gobbled up most of Europe!

They wanted the lands the Japanese conquered in Asia no doubt!

The soviets wanted the US tied up in a campaign on the mainland in Japan, so they could take the rest of Asia as our "So called Allies!"

If you think I'm fully of bull who helped North Korea in the Korean conflict?

Why can't Obama stick to golfing these last few months.

5 1/2 million American people died in the Civil War. The country paid a terrible price but a wrong was righted.

But O bummer wants to chastise for the Crusades!

Do the math the end of the Crusades and the signing of The Declaration of Independence?

How many years had passed? close to 500 years!

Besides the ******s attacked and occupied Christian lands 400 years before the Christians retaliated!