If both Klitchkos retired today, would there be a dominant heavyweight Champ?

[cupocity303]

I'd imagine a few of the tallies could become dominant assuming they are Klitschko fans and are trying to learn from their style, the same way that the lower weight up and comers tried emulating Roy Jones and now Floyd Mayweather with the shoulder roll.

But I still doubt it. I think Boxing Socialism will take over again, with perception of "greatness" being redistributed all over the division, because they're giving us "competitive fights".

[The Nephilim]

I'd imagine a few of the tallies, could become dominant assuming they're Klitschko fans and are trying to learn from their style, the same way that the lower weight up and comers tries emulating Roy Jones and now Floyd Mayweather with the shoulder roll.

But I still doubt it. I think Boxing Socialism will take over again, with perception of "greatness" being redistributed all over the division, because they're giving us "competitive fights".

If the K-Bros had never been born, we'd have titanic title battles the last few years between Chris Arreola and Calvin Brock with the Americans telling the world what "great heavyweights" they are and what an exciting era it is.

That much is obvious.

[cupocity303]

If the K-Bros had never been born, we'd have titanic battles the last few years between Chris Arreola and Calvin Brock with the Americans telling the world what "great heavyweights" they are and what an exciting era it is.

That much is obvious.

This. Pretty much.

Ike Beabuchi Vs David Tua. "Oh my god, what a battle, Beabuchi is a beast Too bad he went to prison, he would've defeated everyone including the Klitschko's".

Except he probably would've gotten TKO'd into submission. Best case scenario, his chin holds up, his injuries aren't severe enough to the point that the corner stops it and is one of the few to go the distance.

[Skittlez]

If the K-Bros had never been born, we'd have titanic battles the last few years between Chris Arreola and Calvin Brock with the Americans telling the world what "great heavyweights" they are and what an exciting era it is.

That much is obvious.

If the Kbros had never been born.

the heavyweight division will be even more dead.. David Haye will be the undisputed champ and Arreloa/Brock would have been domianted by Haye.

The mistake you make is even before Brock fought the Klitschkos he was considered B Level..... it's not as if those guys were considered Elite than lost to K2.

All these guys K2 beat were never considered elite in the first place.

[Skittlez]

This. Pretty much.

Ike Beabuchi Vs David Tua. "Oh my god, what a battle, Beabuchi is a beast Too bad he went to prison, he would've defeated everyone including the Klitschko's".

Except he probably would've gotten TKO'd into submission. Best case scenario, his chin holds up, his injuries aren't severe enough to the point that the corner stops it and is one of the few to go the distance.

Are you serious? Ike would have fought Wlad in the early 2000's that was his era.

Pre Steward Wlad would have been knocked out.

Ike would have retired around 2007ish...


If you honestly think a Pre-Steward Wladimir can beat Ike.. rofl.


Do you even know how 'time line' works?

If Ike never went to prison he would fight Wlad in the EARLY 2000'S.

[cupocity303]

Are you serious? Ike would have fought Wlad in the early 2000's that was his era.

Pre Steward Wlad would have been knocked out.

Ike would have retired around 2007ish...


If you honestly think a Pre-Steward Wladimir can beat Ike.. rofl.


Do you even know how 'time line' works?

If Ike never went to prison he would fight Wlad in the EARLY 2000'S.

Look at your last post. Something about elite right?

Now, add that to Ike. Beabuchi is not elite.

Note: Lets keep in mind that "elite" is subjective and up to interpretation.

[cupocity303]

If Ike could get past Brewster, then maybe we can talk. However I think after the war with Tua, he is just softened up enough to get KO'd by Brewster in a Mandatory # 1 Contender's match.


All this elite talk, and who is not elite. Just because of the disparity in skills. I talked about Boxing Socialism and the spreading of "greatness" around the division because of even matched competitive fights.

But Wlad is like a rich 1% Capitalist, who is making everyone else poor (per the Occupy Wallstreet's perception).

[The Nephilim]

If the Kbros had never been born.

the heavyweight division will be even more dead.. David Haye will be the undisputed champ and Arreloa/Brock would have been domianted by Haye.

The mistake you make is even before Brock fought the Klitschkos he was considered B Level..... it's not as if those guys were considered Elite than lost to K2.

All these guys K2 beat were never considered elite in the first place.

Calvin "The Boxing Banker" Brock was considered by many American "experts" to be one of the next great US heavyweights; whether you considered him to be "B level" is not my problem.

Haye would get knocked out by Arreola or Brock so that wouldn't change the scenario much.

All I can say for you types whining about the heavyweight division is: don't watch it. Seems logical. I tend to avoid things I hate doing.

[The Nephilim]

Look at your last post. Something about elite right?

Now, add that to Ike. Beabuchi is not elite.

Note: Lets keep in mind that "elite" is subjective and up to interpretation.

Ibeabuchi was and is a roid-addled mental case. He attacked a hooker in a fit of roid rage and the cops found steroids all over the place, in his car and his apartment.

The guy's body was purely a creation of modern science. Give Ike credit, he was the forerunner of today's juiced-up fighters.

[Skittlez]

Calvin "The Boxing Banker" Brock was considered by many American "experts" to be one of the next great US heavyweights; whether you considered him to be "B level" is not my problem.

Haye would get knocked out by Arreola or Brock so that wouldn't change the scenario much.

All I can say for you types whining about the heavyweight division is: don't watch it. Seems logical. I tend to avoid things I hate doing.

Link me 5 sources that says Brock was elite.

I can link 10 sources that says Andrew Golota was considered elite... right after the Bowe fights.

At least 10 different sources claim Golota was an elite fighter and a future star.


I wanna see 5 legit sources that says Brock is elite..

quotes from boxing insiders.

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