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  • Originally posted by Left Hook Tua View Post
    hey , everyone always says it.

    in the 80's when the japs were killing us economically...... japan now owns the u.s.

    now with china..........same thing.


    then people always say israel owns the u.s. or they say the rich oil arabs do , depending on the topic.
    I also love it when they say "America is on the verge of the worst economical collapse ever"

    As if the depression never took place or the recession of the 70's under Jimmy Carter which was worse as well....

    People love to hate on America. It's what happens when you are at the top for so long.

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      • Originally posted by ИATAS206 View Post
        This should leave no doubt....


        Iranian nuclear scientist assassinated in Tehran
        By Alex Lantier
        12 January 2012

        Iranian nuclear scientist Professor Mostafa Ahmadi Roshan, 32, was killed yesterday in a bomb blast in Tehran. Witnesses saw motorcyclists attach a magnetic explosive device to his car before the blast.

        Roshan’s bodyguard, who was driving, was also killed, and an 85-year-old passerby was reportedly wounded. The motorcyclists escaped into traffic.

        BBC journalists in Tehran reported that the bomb was highly specialized, “a targeted, focused device intended to kill one or two people and small enough not to be heard from far away.”

        Roshan was a professor at a Tehran technical university and a supervisor at the uranium enrichment facility in Natanz. He had reportedly met with International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) inspectors a few days before he was assassinated. It was the fourth killing of an Iranian nuclear scientist since 2010.

        The US, Israeli and European governments, which are pushing for an oil embargo against Iran to undermine the country’s currency and economy, have accused Iran of intending to build nuclear weapons. They have made clear that they would stop at nothing, including war, to prevent Iran from acquiring such weapons. Iran claims that its nuclear program is for peaceful energy-generating and medical purposes.

        Tehran Deputy Governor Safar Ali Baratlo blamed the Israeli government for the attack. “The bomb was a magnetic bomb and is the same as those previously used to assassinate scientists, and is the work of the Zionists,” he told Fars News. He speculated that the killing might also be aimed at discouraging people from voting in the March Iranian parliamentary elections: “It seems the Zionists’ efforts are meant to undermine security ahead of the election, so that the people will not turn out in great numbers.”

        Israeli sources acknowledged that there is a campaign of assassination directed against Iranian scientists, though they did not explicitly take responsibility for Wednesday’s attack. Mickey Segal, a former director of Israel’s Iranian intelligence department, said: “Many bad things have been happening to Iran in the recent period. Iran is in a situation where pressure on it is mounting, and the latest assassination joins the pressure that the Iranian regime is facing.”

        The day before the murder, Israeli military chief Lt. General Benny Gantz issued what was widely seen as a veiled threat that there would be further attacks inside Iran. He told an Israeli parliamentary panel that 2012 would be a “critical year” for Iran, due to “things that happen to it unnaturally.”

        US officials responded provocatively to the latest instance of terrorism inside Iran by denouncing Tehran. US State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said she had no “information to share one way or the other.” Secretary of State Hillary Clinton attacked Iran for its alleged “provocative rhetoric,” adding that she wanted to “categorically deny” that the US was involved in acts of violence inside Iran.

        These assurances are politically worthless. It is widely acknowledged, even in the pages of the bourgeois press in the United States and allied countries, that the Western powers are mounting a covert terrorist campaign to destroy Iran’s nuclear infrastructure.

        Theodore Karasik, a security expert at the Institute for Near East and Gulf Military Analysis in Dubai, told the New York Times that magnetic bombs were “clean, easy, and efficient” and therefore commonly used in covert operations. The Times concluded that the assassination “fit a pattern over the past two years of covert operations by the West and its allies to ‘degrade and delay’ Iran’s nuclear program.”

        The right-wing French daily Le Figaro wrote that “the US and Israel have carried out multiple acts of sabotage against sensitive nuclear installations, while ordering targeted killings of Iranian nuclear experts.” It cited an Iraqi security official, who said: “[The Israeli intelligence agency] Mossad uses the autonomous Iraqi Kurdistan region, which has been infiltrated by its agents. The Israelis use Kurdish opponents of the Iranian regime who have fled to Kurdish regions of Iraq.”

        There is total silence in the press, however, on the criminal and reckless character of this policy and Washington’s hypocrisy in waging a supposed “war on terror” while supporting terrorist actions against regimes it has targeted for removal. The US and its allies are conducting a campaign of attacks aiming to terrorize Iranian scientists and possibly goad the regime into retaliating in a way that would provide a pretext for a US, Israeli or NATO assault on Iran.

        In January 2010, a remote-controlled bomb killed Massoud Ali Mohammadi, a Tehran University nuclear scientist. In November 2010, two car bomb blasts similar to those that killed Roshan yesterday killed Shahid Behest University nuclear engineering professor Majid Shahriyari and wounded Imam Hossein University physics department chair Feredeyoun Abbasi-Davani. In July 2011, gunmen in Tehran shot physicist Dr. Darioush Rezai, who reportedly had helped design switches needed to trigger a nuclear warhead.

        There was also a series of unexplained explosions at Iranian military sites. A November 12, 2011 explosion destroyed the Iranian Revolutionary Guard base at Bid Kaneh, killing 17 people. A separate blast last month damaged a facility for enriching uranium in Isfahan.

        Tehran also blamed the Western powers for transmitting to Iran the Stuxnet computer virus, which was discovered in late 2010 and badly damaged centrifuges and computer systems at Iranian nuclear facilities, including Natanz. Last February, a video shown at Israeli Lt. General Gabi Ashkenazi’s retirement party reportedly claimed the Stuxnet virus as well as the 2007 bombing of an alleged Syrian nuclear site in the Deir ez-Zor region as Israeli intelligence successes.

        Last month, Art Keller, a former CIA case officer who worked on Iran, told the Los Angeles Times: “We are definitely doing that. It’s pretty much the stated mission of the [CIA’s] counter-proliferation division to do what it takes to slow… Iran’s weapons of mass destruction.”

        The murder of Roshan brings the Persian Gulf region and the world one step closer to what would be a devastating regional and possibly global war. Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov told ITAR-Tass yesterday that military action against Iran would be a “grave mistake, a flagrant error” that could “shake the foundations of the international system.”
        i don't know why in every situation.....

        they always get a quote from some russian general or some russian politician......

        as if the situation could escalate to WW3.

        iran buys a lot of stuff from russia. russia has to support them publicly.



        but do these newspeople know why russia doesn't really care?

        1. if anything happens in the persian gulf , oil prices go up.

        russia benefits from that. they supply western europe with a ton of oil as well as being the largest producer of natural gas in the world.

        2. any strike on iran by israel or the u.s. or anyone else and iran will have to upgrade their weapons and buy more weapons.

        they buy a lot of those weapons from russia. especially air defense.

        mig-29 fighters and s-200/300 surface to air missiles.


        russia can't wait for israel or u.s. to do something.

        win-win for them.

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        • I read about another Iranian nuclear scientist, 35, who was shot at his childs school in front of his child and their kindergarden class.

          Originally posted by Left Hook Tua View Post
          i don't know why in every situation.....

          they always get a quote from some russian general or some russian politician......

          as if the situation could escalate to WW3.

          iran buys a lot of stuff from russia. russia has to support them publicly.



          but do these newspeople know why russia doesn't really care?

          1. if anything happens in the persian gulf , oil prices go up.

          russia benefits from that. they supply western europe with a ton of oil as well as being the largest producer of natural gas in the world.

          2. any strike on iran by israel or the u.s. or anyone else and iran will have to upgrade their weapons and buy more weapons.

          they buy a lot of those weapons from russia. especially air defense.

          mig-29 fighters and s-200/300 surface to air missiles.


          russia can't wait for israel or u.s. to do something.

          win-win for them.
          Taking out/regime change in Iran & Syria and Russia would lose its Naval presence in the region along with opening up new significant pipeline routes for the US. Both of which would be far more negative than any potential benifits you're talking about.

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          • Originally posted by Bluetech View Post

            As for arab states going to war against israel, LOL youngin, that already happened YEARS AGO. It was called the Arab Israeli war in 1948.

            Israel vs Egypt, Saudi Arabia,Iraq,Jordan,Lebannon,Syria,Yemen basically almost all muslim brotherhoods and it was unanimous decision on all scorecards for Israel.

            Loved the story about rockets on their way to Israel suddenly malfunctioning. LMFAOOO.
            That settles it, Israel would win no matter what cuz of what happened 60+ years ago........You're forgetting about 1967 btw and Israel modus operandi is premeditated **** ala the Egyptian airforce.

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            • Originally posted by ИATAS206 View Post
              wow, why are you trying to put my political views on blast in a thread that has nothing to do with it? If you want to ask me questions, either make a thread or PM me as I am not shy to answer any question. This is a classic way of avoiding a debate you know you'll lose (defending Israel) in and deflect the attention onto something COMPLETELY irrelevant to the topic at hand.

              I don't give a **** about some che t-shirt wearing hipster in Miami, my beliefs are my beliefs and likely totally different from what you THINK you know. I am not a Stalinist or the likes, I simply believe a socialist economy is better in the long run for humanity. Capitalism was great and it served it's purpose, but we (not just america, Earth) cannot keep this up forever, which is why I believe in the Marxist theory of a transition from Capitalism to Socialism (and not any distorted version of socialism like Stalinist Russia, Cuba, or the likes).
              That's what you want for America? Never happen, nor could it ever work there.

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              • Originally posted by Mikhnienko View Post
                That's what you want for America? Never happen, nor could it ever work there.
                Please understand when I speak of Socialism I am not talking about any Soviet version, or any other distorted version.

                Why is it there are so many socialists in Europe and it's totally normal, but if an american is a socialist it's blasphemy!? lmao. My apologies for wanting the means of production in the hands of the people instead of a tiny ruling elite.

                And yes, I understand socialism is not possible right now in america and would take a very long time but never say never. This country is going to **** and things will change eventually, one way or another. Capitalism, as we know it, obviously wont last forever.

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                • Originally posted by Mikhnienko View Post
                  I read about another Iranian nuclear scientist, 35, who was shot at his childs school in front of his child and their kindergarden class.



                  Taking out/regime change in Iran & Syria and Russia would lose its Naval presence in the region along with opening up new significant pipeline routes for the US. Both of which would be far more negative than any potential benifits you're talking about.
                  there won't be a regime change in iran.

                  i'm talking about an israeli strike against nuclear facilities.

                  not an invasion.

                  an israeli attack will probably bolster the iranian regime.

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                  • Araamis says that this assassination was a false flag operation. See:

                    False flag terror by a state upon its own population can be a powerful tool of control.
                    False flag terror by a state upon its own nuclear physicists. See? It's obviously an inside job.

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                    • Originally posted by Mikhnienko View Post
                      That settles it, Israel would win no matter what cuz of what happened 60+ years ago........You're forgetting about 1967 btw and Israel modus operandi is premeditated **** ala the Egyptian airforce.
                      at the time , the israelis were heavily outnumbered.

                      israel now has a large military and developed its own military industries.

                      it wasn't that way in the 50's , 60's , 70's.

                      that's why they depended on a strike first military doctrine.


                      they were heavily outnumbered by the egyptians and syrians.

                      they struck at egypt air bases first because egypt had numerical and technological superiority in the air.

                      israel at the time only had 72 mirages and the rest older aircraft.

                      egypt had hundreds of modern migs , a large percentage of them the new mig-21's.

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