I always felt Wlad couldn't deal with movement..Jennings imo would have beating Wlad with better movement but he just isn't that type of fighter...I wanted a small fighter with power n movement to show up n beat Wlad but there isn't on in da heavyweight class...once Fury vs Wlad got made it knew Fury could win bc of his movement reach power n height..just didn't think it was gonna be da easy..I mainly wanted to see da adjustments Wlad would make but he never did done...no work in da inside just held. .no jab to da body.
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Jennings and Fury proved Ali would have gaped open Wladimir.
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Originally posted by Boxfan83 View PostI thought the same thing but the major factor in the current HW division vs the passed is size. Look at Klitchko vs Fury, a 2inch height/reach was hard for Klitchko to overcome and he is 6'7" himself. In my heart i picture ali & louis beating Klitchko but physically theyd have been at a HUGE disadvantage.
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Originally posted by spanishboxing View PostI always felt Wlad couldn't deal with movement..Jennings imo would have beating Wlad with better movement but he just isn't that type of fighter...I wanted a small fighter with power n movement to show up n beat Wlad but there isn't on in da heavyweight class...once Fury vs Wlad got made it knew Fury could win bc of his movement reach power n height..just didn't think it was gonna be da easy..I mainly wanted to see da adjustments Wlad would make but he never did done...no work in da inside just held. .no jab to da body.
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Originally posted by JasonBoxing View PostJennings and Fury looked like the were trying to implement moronic mutations of the styles Ali used. It worked. Jennings put up a great show and Fury actually beat Wlad.
Awkward movement and lateral fleet of foot+weird angled punches seem to confuse Wlad. Big Lummox that he is.
Lewis would have also kayoed any version of Wlad. But that's just due to being a better version of Wlad himself.
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Er... What was Ali doing when he was 39??? Not sure he was that great then. Dumbest thread ever. Those fights prove nothing. Plus Ali was tiny compared to Wlad. Wlad would have leant on him and had reach advantage.
Having said that, Ali is a greater fighter than Wlad, he dominated his era and won fights people never thought he could (Foreman,Liston)Last edited by Roberto Vasquez; 11-29-2015, 02:26 PM.
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Originally posted by Eastcoast View PostWlad wasn't completely helpless against more mobile fighters. He handled prime Chris Byrd just fine, and handled a speedy guy with power in Haye.
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Originally posted by Eastcoast View PostWlad wasn't completely helpless against more mobile fighters. He handled prime Chris Byrd just fine, and handled a speedy guy with power in Haye.
Byrd is a good fighter with a few tricks up his sleeve but does not have much footspeed or particularly good movement.
All these guys need to set to throw. jennings also.
Try to get this concept regarding Ali because it it missed on these threads...and I say this independent of what opinions are regarding Ali against anyone. ALI did not need to have his feet set to throw his lead...In other words, much like Ray Robinson, Roy Jones, etc Ali could be on his back leg, able to react to anything you could throw, from any reach advantage...and suddenly Boom! with no telegraphing you are hit. When Ali threw a lead hand punch it could be a jab, or a punch that landed from almost across the ring.
Guys like Haye cannot even step and punch like Liston (for example) could. Frazier caught Ali because he had the skill set to allow him to step in when Ali was going straight back, and as he was stepping uncork his hook.
Another example: look at how Jones caught Toney. Toney could never predict when Roy would fire because....like ali, Jones didn't need to set his feet to throw his punch. These are skills that develop and are lacking in many fighters today.Last edited by billeau2; 11-29-2015, 07:07 PM.
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