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  • Pascal-Hopkins, a Canadian not named G dogs scorecard

    I know a lot has been discussed already, with more and more people ''coming out of the closet'' and admitting they think it was a fair draw.

    I knew I had to re-watch the fight and score it round by round, because as dominating as Hopkins was in 2/3 of the fight, he was put on his ass twice, and that's not good news for him on the cards.

    Watching it live, I felt Hopkins had won, but you got to go with that scoring system, and not with your feelings...


    1 : 10-8 Pascal, close round before the KD

    2 : very close round, got it 10-10

    3 : close round but KD scored, 10-8 Pascal

    4 : Hopkins round, working the body, Pascal not landing enough, Hopkins 10-9

    5 : Hopkins more active, lands downstairs, but Pascal lands the better punches upstairs. Close, but 10-9 Pascal. Pascal also looks fatigued. He's missing wild, loaded up punches.

    6 : Hopkins imposes himself, lands the better punches. Pascal ineffective and inactive. 10-9 Hopkins, big round for him.

    7 : More of the same. Pascal inactive and missing, Hopkins landing upstairs and downstairs. Hopkins also lands his first overhand right, a punch that will be very effective for him from there on. Hopkins 10-9

    (Note that the press row has Pascal slightly ahead at the end of the seventh.)

    8 : Pascal waking up a little bit, more active, lands some good punches. Close round, but Hopkins misses a lot. Pascal round, 10-9.

    9 : Both are landing good with the edge to Hopkins. Hopkins 10-9

    (Tarver has it 85-84 Pascal up to now. I have it 86-84 Pascal.)

    10 : Hopkins very effective with his right hand. Pascal lands good punches inside, rallies, but not enough to steal the round. Hopkins 10-9

    11 : Good action with Hopkins getting the better of it, Hopkins 10-9

    12 : Both guys have their moments, Hopkins get the better of it again, Hopkins 10-9.


    Final score : 113 Pascal, 114 Hopkins.


    I don't know if I must still call it a robbery. I thought I would end up with a wider score in favor of Hopkins. I scored the third a 10-10 (most people here gave it to Pascal), and I know some people will argue about the fifth or the eighth. Also note that if I hadn't scored the thrid round 10-10, it would have been a 113-113 draw on my card. But I feel the thrid was that close.



    Credit to Michael Griffin who did a great job. He had no role in the outcome of the fight, his calls were all good.


    Here is why this fight looks like a robbery : Hopkins dominated a lot of the rounds he won, while Pascal wasn't as dominant in the rounds he won. Plus the fact that there were 2 KDs versus more rounds won by Hopkins. It blurs the perception. The are a couple of swing rounds too. Tough fight to score in any case.

    My Canadian verdict : Hopkins should have won, but this is not the most outrageous robbery I have seen if we can call it a robbery that is. In the best of cases for Pascal (even if I don't see how I could have given him the draw), it would have been a draw for Pascal.


    But wait... they scored it a draw, right ?

  • #2
    I saw the exact same fight you did. The 2nd round I gave 10-10 because neither really imposed their will but I think alot of people gave it to Pascal just because they were watching strictly what Pascal was going to do since Hopkins got dropped by the behind the head blow. I gave rounds 4-12 to Hopkins. Pascal took him lightly especially after the knockdowns and paid for it.

    Mine was a little wider, 115-111, Hopkins. He got robbed in my book.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Natedatpkid View Post
      I saw the exact same fight you did. The 2nd round I gave 10-10 because neither really imposed their will but I think alot of people gave it to Pascal just because they were watching strictly what Pascal was going to do since Hopkins got dropped by the behind the head blow. I gave rounds 4-12 to Hopkins. Pascal took him lightly especially after the knockdowns and paid for it.

      Mine was a little wider, 115-111, Hopkins. He got robbed in my book.
      Bernstein said it best I believe at the end of the fight : the perception we get from the fight is that Bernard won. But things get difficult when the time comes to put a score on the round.

      You don't think Pascal won even one round between the 4th and the 12th ? That's a bit of an exaggeration to me, but i know how tough this fight is to score.

      If such a thing exists, I guess the best card, or the one reflecting the most what happened in the fight, would be 114-112 like one judge had it.

      I just noticed it doesn't work : your scorecard should read 116-111...
      Last edited by Tiozzo; 12-19-2010, 09:12 PM.

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      • #4
        Hopkins was robbed.

        He won 10 rounds to 2.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by No Ceilings View Post
          Hopkins was robbed.

          He won 10 rounds to 2.
          I believe that's a ******ed scorecard.

          Pascal won at least 1 round between the 4th and the 12th. Nobody has it with such wide margins.

          and Paul Will has lost that P4P no. 3 spot

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          • #6
            Originally posted by No Ceilings View Post
            Hopkins was robbed.

            He won 10 rounds to 2.
            Did you lose a bet with that avatar?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by BatteredKessler View Post
              I believe that's a ******ed scorecard.

              Pascal won at least 1 round between the 4th and the 12th. Nobody has it with such wide margins.

              and Paul Will has lost that P4P no. 3 spot
              The only 2 rounds Pascal won were the ones he got the knock downs in. Period.

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              • #8
                hopkins did'nt do enough .....

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                • #9
                  You know, throughout all the nonsense, I think the work of the ref has been overlooked, he did an ok job

                  That first knockdown was called wrong, but it was incidental, either way Hopkins 115-112, 114-112 at the least

                  A draw is pushing it

                  But there was that one idiot on press row who had Pascal winning, who was that?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by No Ceilings View Post
                    Hopkins was robbed.

                    He won 10 rounds to 2.
                    Pascal won 3 at best.

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