Comments Thread For: Pacquiao on Lack of KOs: I'm Really 140-Pounder, Can Make 135

[LADIV]

How many ko's does he have after 2009....i will wait.....

[elfag]

no bru..he bet at fat burger on the strip all the time..if u follow ppl from vegas on the strip u'll him there all the time..
did u not see his chef shopping?? i dont think that much acting can be done..the man was eating a big mac on all access not talkin about it..he was actually eating it..he ate mcdonalds right after the fight...these dudes are just little af man
think about it he was 21 years old and could weight 130lbs lol that is tiny bro

He has a chef for training camps but yes if you look at his dad and uncle theyre old as ****, with health problems and still skinny and have visible abs, its just genetic.

[GTTofAK]

He couldn't KO even that joke Chris Algieri. The reason he can't KO ppl anymore since 2009 is that:
a-He started to fight some A level fighters.
b-Drugs fade off.

That doens't make sense. The argument is that he faded after the lost Ariza and his shakes. He didn't lose Ariza until 2013.

Ariza was the one who was hurting Manny's power in the long run. As what appears to be the boards resident PED expert. Ariza's game isn't AAS (Anabolic Androgenic Steroids) its over the counter stimulants. Thats what Rios got popped with when Ariza was training him. This is legal so both under the law and drug protocols so long as you stay ahead of the curve on what stimulants are banned. With Rios Ariza fell behind the curve and gave him a recently banned stimulant.

Stimulants are the crutch of bad trainers. Essentially they hype their athletes on preworkout. The athletes think the guy is a guru because they feel so energized but really they are slowly degrading as is the case with all stimulants legal or otherwise. As you pass a certain point and start to go into adrenal fatigue the nervous system and musculature begin to break down making you weaker and slower. I do believe that 2012 and 2013 Manny was showing the signs of excessive stimulant use due to Ariza. Roach did too and rightly fired the snake oil salesman.

[b00g13man]

The advantage of being better.

[aboutfkntime]

Neither Mayweather or Pac were ever true welterweights. Both were probably their best at 130-140 (Mayweather at 135-140 and Pac at 130-135). But they were able to fight higher because of their talent. I think its easier to see why Mayweather was so dominant fighting above his best weight (his skill set and defensive talent), but it is less clear why that was the case for Pac (some says it was the "shakes" but I don't agree with that. I think it was a combination of opponents and his style).

Either way both were not at their best at 147 and anyone who follows the sport knows that. What we got for the last few years was a combination of ridiculous hype, savy promotion, and strategic match making on both sides (Top Rank & Haymon). Like Ellerbe said, "It was the greatest score in boxing history." Any fan who doesn't see that both sides have been in collaboration/contact with each other for years is either blind or lost (e.g. Miami heat game meet up). They made hundreds of millions with this "rivalry" and made a number of other notable boxing stars along the way. It was simply very good business.

You got it.

The stars of Team Pacquiao were not Arum/Roach/Ariza, like many thought..... the stars were Bob Arum, Brad Goodman, and Bruce Trampler..... and Manny of course.

Styles, and TIMING, were the key.

The styles, and TIMING, were not so well-managed with Marquez, Bradley, and Mayweather.

Pac struggled against more technical guys like Morales, Marquez, Mayweather, and to a lesser degree, Bradley..... but he looked terrific against Rios and Algieri, just like the old Manny.

[aboutfkntime]

Pac struggled against more technical guys like Morales, Marquez, Mayweather, and to a lesser degree, Bradley..... but he looked terrific against Rios and Algieri, just like the old Manny.

Just like Murad Mohammed (Manny's old trainer) admitted.

[SplitSecond]

Just like Murad Mohammed (Manny's old trainer) admitted.

Who's the ****** who said that quote?

Edit: Just found out. NVM.

[fighter1234]

Clottey- Stayed in a defensive shell the whole fight. He showed up to survive and did a pretty good job of it.

Margarito- Pac gave him a gruesome beating for 12 rounds, broke his orbital in the 4th, hurt him badly to the body, and had him on wobbly legs in the 10th. Many refs would have stopped that fight at some point but Laurence Cole let it roll.

Mosley- Pacquiao hurt him early and Mosley stopped throwing. He was able to get away from Pac most of the night but he wasnt fighting. He was looking for a way out in between rounds 10-11. He wanted Nazim to stop the fight but he refused to do it.

Marquez 3- Everyone was severly underestimating JMM coming into this fight, maybe even team Pac and we now know he has Pac's number anyway. Marquez is a BOSS and nobody has knocked him out yet.

Bradley- Credit to Bradley's ability to slip punches and figuring out away to avoid the left. Well all know Tim is a really tough dude who never gives up. Provo had him out for over 30 mins and still couldn't put him away.

Marquez 4- Somebody was going to get knocked out that night. It appeared Manny was on his way to an eventual KO/TKO when BOOM Marquez cut the lights out.

Rios- It was an obvious tune up following a horrific KO. Many doubted he would ever come back from it. I felt there should have been no reason he couldnt KO Rios though. Aside from that it was a beautiful technical performance by him that I still enjoy watching.

Bradley 2- This was a better Bradley than fight one, whereas Pacquiao didn't look as sharp as he was in the first fight. Bradley boxed sensational against Marquez before this fight but Pacquiao beat him easy although I don't remember Bradley ever being in serious trouble.

Algieri- I was shocked and disappointed to see he couldn't put this kid away despite the knockdowns. Algieri may be a better fighter than we percieved him to be at the time and that remains to be seen.

Mayweather- One of the best defensive fighters ever. Few fighters have managed to hit him enough to even sting the guy. However, that moment when Pac slipped the jab and hurt him with the left in the 4th was crucial. Pac was hitting him with hooks around the guard and body shots left and right even some up the middle. It was the perfect opportunity to inflict damage that could turn the tide of the fight, and a situation Mayweather doesnt allow to happen twice....then he backed away and gave Mayweather the space he needed back. I couldnt ****in believe it. To me it was a sign that the old Pacquiao of 08-11 really was gone. It was as if Pacquiao had thought about the Marquez 4 night for a split second and backed away fearing he was leaving himself open for some wicked counter. In reality Mayweather was in no position to do any real harm as he is not a powerful puncher at such a close range and he doesnt look so spectacular when the opponent has him trapped and doesnt let him have his control of space. Maybe it was the shoulder but to me Pacquiao was much more fearless before the 2012 knockout.

So in conclusion, yeah I'd say the weight has factored in to him not knocking anyone out since Hatton and Cotto(TKO) but I think his opponents factored in as well. The world learned he wasnt a little man when he crushed Cotto and since then his opposition fought him differently than the previous 3 guys he destroyed moving up.

He backed off because a lot of punches wern't landing and he was wasting energy. It's very hard to hit a shelled up Mayweather. He has a very good high guard.

[The D3vil]

He's right.

And he's seen a steady decline as he's gotten older

And he's fighter better fighters who aren't tomato cans as well

[Zaroku]

so who did manny stopped that was a full blown ww at 145 besides cotto, which manny didnt actually stopped as in a ko. who are these draining cw's u are speaking about? i guess the manny haters make just as many excuses?? if he can make 140 why bring all these guys up to 147? #bossmove need i say more?

Are you staying tranny free?? Hope so!
Just kidding player!!

But Manny just lost the power. His opponents too big!
Less than a 60% KO rate.. He was never the KO monster HBO hyped him up to be, and his fans wanted him to be!!

Peace bruh!! Take it easy!