Originally posted by Fooly Cooly
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Sergio Martinez needs to stop ducking Dmitry Pirog!
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Originally posted by Freedom. View PostN'Jikam-Martinez would be an interesting fight too. But N'Dam doesn't really have a belt, just that interim strap. And he hasn't gone to the US and KOed a top Golden Boy up-and-comer in a spectacular way, like Pirog has.
Golovkin-Martinez and Pirog-Martinez would be interesting fights, but Barker-Martinez didn't excite me at all. Did you see the odds against Barker?
Mr. Rold, do I detect a bit of unfair negativity in you toward fighters from the former USSR? And does that have something to do with you growing up in the US during the Cold War?
However, to get a shot at the crown, sometimes you have to put the champ in a position where real public pressure emerges. Pirog isn't doing that. You admit he came to the U.S. and beat a prospect...how about a real top ten Middleweight. Burnish those creds and really make the champ look bad if he doesn't take the fight. So he has a paper belt? Who doesn't these days?
My argument stands. You can try to make it about your ridiculous fixation with the Cold War or whatever other stupid ass, psuedo racist or ethnocentric horse ish you're on today, but Pirog has beaten less than other contenders at Middle. My Grandfather fought in the Korean War...shouldn't that mean I'd hate on Jung Koo Chang or Myung Wuh Yuh? What stupidity.
Martinez can't get away with another Barker. There's nothing Pirog has done in the ring that says next MUST be him and some, if not all, of that blame goes on what Pirog hasn't done since the Jacobs fight.Last edited by crold1; 10-02-2011, 01:18 PM.
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Originally posted by Freedom. View PostProksa definitely deserves a title shot. I'd like to see him in with Sturm or Geale next, but they may decide to duck him and face softer opposition.
Hopefully he will attain mandatory status by one of the ABCs but he doesn't have a powerful promoter. He should sign with Sauerland.
Originally posted by DempseyRollin View Postthats dumb. there are better fights than pirog no matter how u look at it. to say pirog is ahead of the proverbial pack tells me ppl really dont kno much about wats going on in that division.
i mean seriously who as pirog beat to make him #1 contender?
Golovkin - Universum legal trouble which should come to an end in a couple months. Late 2011 early 2012 he'd also be a top opponent
N'jikam - won't take it given his track record with Golovkin, 4 ducks.
Proksa - as deserving as most but should probably have a couple more world level fights first.
Sturm - can't see him ever risking it.
Originally posted by crold1 View PostSays who? N'Jikam beat Martirosyan worse and Lorenzo is a better win than Jacobs. Clearly, this is the man Martinez is really ducking.
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Originally posted by Harry Balls View PostI think the attraction of a fight is up to anyone to decide. In my eyes Pirog vs Martinez is a sexier fight.
It doesn't eliminate the fact that, for the guys who have hopes for the crown, there is a responsibility to force the champs hand sometimes too.
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Originally posted by crold1 View PostI actually agree with you. Pirog has a good style for Martinez. However, the point is, neither has really done anything to really DESERVE a must crack at Martinez. Neither did Barker, but sometimes champs take a fight against a guy who is a walk because they get paid for it. Champs have had, and always will, have that privilege. Sucks, but it exists. It would suck less if the walkover wasn't half an activity schedule for the year.
It doesn't eliminate the fact that, for the guys who have hopes for the crown, there is a responsibility to force the champs hand sometimes too.
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Originally posted by crold1 View PostSays who? N'Jikam beat Martirosyan worse and Lorenzo is a better win than Jacobs. Clearly, this is the man Martinez is really ducking.
Did you actually see both fights?
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