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  • Technical analysis of Bhop's style and his waterloos.

    Bhop's style typically mirrors a slick boxer/counter-puncher with an extremely high boxing IQ, coupled with a strong mentality but with a somewhat non-exceptional physical gifts.

    The latter will be discussed together with Hopkin's waterloos.

    Bhop is a quintessential counter-puncher. He utilizes a lot of movement bordering on "running", he gives his opponents defensive angles which are somewhat hard to crack, and he utilizes tactics which are at best questionable and he isnt adamant to use it whenever, wherever. He doesn't have an exceptional jab but makes up for it by being a well-versed counterpuncher. He stays behind a low workrate of 30-40 puncher per round so as not to expose himself needlessly.

    It's also due to his style why he has achieved success for so long where other fighters falter at his age. He doesnt get hit very often, he fights in a "boring" style which stifles his opponents whilst ensuring that HE DOES ENOUGH TO WIN.

    Hopkins is also very smart in recognizing his own limitations thus timely selections of opponents which are best suited to his style; namely smaller opponents or slower if not just as fast as BHOP.

    With that said BHOP is indeed a true great in that he demonstrates that you don't have to be the most athletic boxer, nor the fastest, nor the most powerful in order to succeed in such a brutal sport.

    Now on to Bhop's waterloos.

    1. BHOP cannot handle guys who are BIGGER than him and FASTER than him. He can handle one but he cannot handle BOTH.

    a. Roy Jones in his prime is just too much for Bhop and I think everybody here agrees that prime for prime Jones outclasses Bhop any way you look at it.

    b. Taylor beat him twice by starting fast early and building enough early rounds to ensure a close UD victory. At that time Taylor at MW was bigger and faster than Bhop. Full credit to Bhop for taking the fight even though guys like Taylor are his matchup problems.

    c. Calzaghe literally SLAPPED Hopkins around using in-out movement of feet, southpaw angles and combinations.

    Out of the three notable guys that Hopkins fought, Calzaghe stood out as the most glaring example of Hopkins weaknesses.

    Calzaghe down in the 1st and lost the 2nd seized control of the fight utilizing a style very similar to Pac. in-out movement, combinations and southpaw angles overwhelmed Hopkins which forced him to fake injuries to buy time since Calzaghe was SLAPPING the heck out of him nonstop.
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    It is also the reason why Hopkins will never fight Dawson since the latter is an even bigger version of Calzaghe with arguably more power and a very good jab.

    Guys like Pascal plays right into the hands of Hopkins style and in the rematch expect more of the same with Pascal maybe getting a few shots in while Hopkins takes control early midway rounds.

    Dawson will beat the **** out of Bhop. Too much style disadvantage.
    Last edited by Joartcc7; 12-21-2010, 01:45 PM.

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    There was the young bernard, the MW champion bernard that dominated for over a decade and the post 40 year old Bernard. They are not all the same fighter.

    Are you saying this (see video below) is the same guy that lost to Taylor?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by ИATAS206 View Post
      There was the young bernard, the MW champion bernard that dominated for over a decade and the post 40 year old Bernard. They are not all the same fighter.

      Are you saying this (see video below) is the same guy that lost to Taylor?

      The young Nard labored in obscurity fighting lesser opponents. The old Nard is what will be remembered.

      The Johnson win was a good one.

      But again highlights Nard's style problems.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Joartcc7 View Post
        The young Nard labored in obscurity fighting lesser opponents. The old Nard is what will be remembered.

        The Johnson win was a good one.

        But again highlights Nard's style problems.
        Answer the question.

        Was that the same bernard that lost to taylor & calzaghe?

        Did Hopkins not evolve his style and become less and less aggressive and more and more defensive as his age advanced?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by ИATAS206 View Post
          Answer the question.

          Was that the same bernard that lost to taylor & calzaghe?

          Did Hopkins not evolve his style and become less and less aggressive and more and more defensive as his age advanced?
          Your question has already been answered by my thread.

          I suggest you read it fully.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Joartcc7 View Post
            Your question has already been answered by my thread.

            I suggest you read it fully.
            No it hasn't because your entire thread is totally incorrect to say Bernard has had the same style his entire career. he has not. I've proven this by posting an example of his fight with Glen Johnson. Hopkins used to be much more aggressive, his work rate was much higher and his power was a lot stronger as well.

            To assume Taylor & Calzaghe would have always beat him because they posed problems for a post 40 year old version of bernard who had evolved his style according to his age is totally illogical. Hopkins only lost to Calzaghe because he didn't physically have the stamina to keep up for 12 rounds and even then it was a split decision. A young bernard? Forget about it.

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            • #7
              This thread lost all credibility when Dawson was compared to calzaghe....

              Cazlaghe was known for his workrate.

              Dawson is known for shutting down in the second half of the fight.

              That alone is a good enough reason to NEVER compare the two.

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              • #8
                In my opinion, Hopkins has two flaws that are noticeable from the outside, looking in.

                1. He doesn't handle speed with the best results. It can bother him, however unless the guy is blisteringly fast, he can usually work around it.

                2. A huge output of punches will generally bother him and not allow for him to imply his best weapons, especially with a fast start.

                However, this hasn't always been the case. When he was a younger fighter, he didn't worry about workrate, and he was able to physically and not mentally break down his man. Now, it's the opposite. Now, he finds ways to wear you down psychologically.

                He changed his output in for the ability to throw the punches that matter.

                He traded in his physicality for fighting in bursts, then countering when his man wants to answer back. This is also why he struggles nowadays with speed, because they have a better chance of actually getting that done. But it's rarely towards the end of the bout that that happens, as Hopkins has worn guys down by that point.

                Just my take.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Joartcc7 View Post
                    Bhop's style typically mirrors a slick boxer/counter-puncher with an extremely high boxing IQ, coupled with a strong mentality but with a somewhat non-exceptional physical gifts.
                    hops has 2 styles. a slick counterpuncher and a dirty infighter.

                    a. Roy Jones in his prime is just too much for Bhop and I think everybody here agrees that prime for prime Jones outclasses Bhop any way you look at it.
                    i dunno about rjj "outclassing" bhop. i'd say rjj just is too athleticially gifted for bhop in their primes.

                    b. Taylor beat him twice by starting fast early and building enough early rounds to ensure a close UD victory. At that time Taylor at MW was bigger and faster than Bhop. Full credit to Bhop for taking the fight even though guys like Taylor are his matchup problems.
                    bhop vs taylor were close fights. bhop fought the wrong fight. he shouldn't have counterpunched with taylor. he should've used his dirty infighter tactics.

                    c. Calzaghe literally SLAPPED Hopkins around using in-out movement of feet, southpaw angles and combinations.
                    Out of the three notable guys that Hopkins fought, Calzaghe stood out as the most glaring example of Hopkins weaknesses.
                    hopkins got robbed
                    Calzaghe down in the 1st and lost the 2nd seized control of the fight utilizing a style very similar to Pac. in-out movement, combinations and southpaw angles overwhelmed Hopkins which forced him to fake injuries to buy time since Calzaghe was SLAPPING the heck out of him nonstop.
                    hopkins fought the wrong fight trying to outbox calzaghe, he should've used his dirty infighter style to rough cokezaghe up
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                    It is also the reason why Hopkins will never fight Dawson since the latter is an even bigger version of Calzaghe with arguably more power and a very good jab.
                    he won't fight dawson cause dawson can't draw a crowd

                    Guys like Pascal plays right into the hands of Hopkins style and in the rematch expect more of the same with Pascal maybe getting a few shots in while Hopkins takes control early midway rounds.
                    bhop will never beat pascal in canada. never.
                    Dawson will beat the **** out of Bhop. Too much style disadvantage.
                    dawson/bhop is another close fight. it's possible that hopkins outworks dawson, who won't throw punches unless he sees openings.

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