I already have Wlad as a top 10 ATG heavy, to me it's not even a debate. However, for any more doubters, as long as he continues to rack up wins against all comers there will be no doubters. Wait....there will always be doubters.
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If Wladimir beats Wilder, Stiverne, Fury, Jennings & Pulev, is he a top 10 ATG HW?
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He's not in my personal top 10.
With that said he has a case for being considered a top 10 ATG , I wouldn't argue with anybody claiming so, regardless of 'what if's -.
Of the names mentioned Pulev is probably the more tested, while Fury and Wilder still have everything to prove. A win over either of them would weight differently depending on how good they perform after losing to Wlad.
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Nah..it's like Floyd beating Guerrero,Ortiz,Maidana,and Alexander.. Decent fighters but no hall of farmers or greats themselves. Wlad is already a hall of farmer but his early losses and lack of top viable opponents will always hold him back IMO.
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Originally posted by SkillspayBills View PostI already have Wlad as a top 10 ATG heavy, to me it's not even a debate. However, for any more doubters, as long as he continues to rack up wins against all comers there will be no doubters. Wait....there will always be doubters.
Fuck the haters.
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Originally posted by Badzi1987 View PostSo,
erm, well, beating;
David Haye
Mariusz Wach
Sam Peter
Alex Povetkin
Hasim Rahman
Lamon Brewster
Calvin Brock
Chris Byrd
Frans Botha
Monte Barrett
Ray Mercer
Thats not enough? wow lol something really not right with the boxing world.
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Originally posted by Badzi1987 View PostSo,
erm, well, beating;
David Haye
Mariusz Wach
Sam Peter
Alex Povetkin
Hasim Rahman
Lamon Brewster
Calvin Brock
Chris Byrd
Frans Botha
Monte Barrett
Ray Mercer
Thats not enough? wow lol something really not right with the boxing world.
Ali, Marciano, Holmes, Lewis, Louis, Foreman, Tyson, Holyfield, Dempsey, Tunney, Johnson, Liston, Patterson, Vitali, Frazier, Bowe to name a few.
Do you not think it reasonable that someone has a list where 10 of those guys rank slightly higher than Wlad on resume or achievement? Wlad is a great fighter, I have no qualms with someone placing him in the lower end of the top 10 but it is also reasonable for someone to have him just outside of it.
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Originally posted by sugarsmosley View Posta lot of good fighters, none great, that isnt wlads fault tho.i mean i could really name an A fighter in every division,, other then HW (besides wladimir)
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Originally posted by Ryn0 View PostWe are talking about some of the most storied, respected fighters in the prize division in boxing. Is it not inconceivable that there are 10 guys whose achievements in the last 100+ years are considered slightly better than Wlads?
Ali, Marciano, Holmes, Lewis, Louis, Foreman, Tyson, Holyfield, Dempsey, Tunney, Johnson, Liston, Patterson, Vitali, Frazier, Bowe to name a few.
Do you not think it reasonable that someone has a list where 10 of those guys rank slightly higher than Wlad on resume or achievement? Wlad is a great fighter, I have no qualms with someone placing him in the lower end of the top 10 but it is also reasonable for someone to have him just outside of it.
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