Comments Thread For: Marquez: It Was Skill, Not Muscle That Beat Pacquiao

[DominiBox]

That will never happen.

Marquez agreed to all testing, but Plankiao refused.

How come Plankiao refused, but you are accusing Marquez ?

Source please...

[DeadLikeMe]

Source please...

The source is that team pac walked out of negotiations two damn times over drug testing. Don't feign ignorance.

[ricomisys]

The source is that team pac walked out of negotiations two damn times over drug testing. Don't feign ignorance.

The Undetectable PEDS

Enter Angel Memo Heredia, graduate of Texas A&M University and an admitted steroid dealer, who in the past has eschewed the use of steroids in favor of more modern performance enhancing drugs that he referred to as "the main stuff": growth hormone, insulin, EPO, and IGF-1.

To be fair, Heredia maintains that his past is exactly that, just the past. "I've never been banned from coaching. I have the curriculum. I have the science degrees. What we're doing is strictly science," Heredia would comment, defending himself to those who questioned his controversial past during the latest episode of HBO's 24/7 series. That being said, the scientific knowledge that he's accumulated over the years regarding performance enhancing drugs is quite impressive. The son of a chemist, Heredia spent years honing his own knowledge of chemistry, with his family's company, Chopo Laboratory in Mexico City, Mexico, at his disposal. In 2008, following his involvement as a government witness in the BALCO scandal, Heredia granted an in-depth interview to Der Spiegel, a German weekly news magazine, which also happens to be one of Europe's largest publications, giving explicit details on his involvement with and knowledge of performance enhancing drugs and how he got away with beating the testing system. Although the online version is in German, with the help of Google, we we're able to translate it to come up with some rather interesting quotes from Heredia. Here are just a few of the many gems taken from the interview:

"I read anything I could find about medicine, spoke with other athletes, and soon people were saying: Angel knows how it's done. He knows how to pass the tests. The first athletes began to ask me for advice. That's how it started, and at some point the trainer Trevor Graham asked me if I could help him. I explained to him how epo works, and I was in business."

"My father is a chemistry professor. I love chemistry, and I was an athlete. My role was an obsession. For example, I learned everything about testosterone: that there is a type of testosterone with a high half-life and another that works very quickly. I learned that you can rub it in, take it orally, inject it. It became a kick: I was allowed to work with the best of the best, and I made them even better."

"You want an example? Everyone talks about epo. Epo is fashionable. But without adding iron, epo only works half as well. That's the kind of thing you have to know. There are oxygen carriers that make epo work incredibly fast – they are actually better than epo alone. I call my drug "Epo Boost." I inject it and it releases many tiny oxygen molecules throughout the body. In that way you increase the effect of epo by a factor of ten."

"There are tablets for the kidneys that block the metabolites of steroids, so when athletes give a urine sample, they don't excrete the metabolites and thus test negative. Or there is an enzyme that slowly consumes proteins - epo has protein structures, and the enzyme thus ensures that the B sample of the doping test has a completely different value than the A sample. Then there are chemicals that you take a couple of hours before the race that prevent acidification in the muscles. Together with epo they are an absolute miracle. I've created 20 different drugs that are still undetectable for the doping testers."

"I had one substance called actovison that increased blood circulation – not detectable. That was good from a health standpoint and even better from a competitive standpoint. Then we had the growth factors IGF-1 and IGF-2. And epo. Epo increases the number of red blood cells and thus the transportation of oxygen, which is the key for every athlete: the athlete wants to recover quickly, keep the load at a constantly high level and achieve a constant performance."

"We have used creams that leave no trace and give the athlete a steadily higher testosterone levels."

"Yes, the only difference is the quality of the doping. Athletes with little money use simple steroids and hope they don't get tested. The stars earn 50,000 dollars a month, not including starting bonuses and shoe sponsorship contracts. The very best invest 100,000 dollars – I'll then build you a designer drug that can't be detected."

"Designer drugs are composed of several different chemicals that trigger the desired reaction. At the end of the chain I change one or two molecules in such a way that the entire structure is undetectable for the doping testers."

"What's happening now is laughable. It's a token. They should save their money – or give it to me. I'll give it to the orphans of Mexico! There will be doping for as long as there is commercial sports, performance-related shoe contracts and television."

"Peak performances without doping are a fairytale, my friend."

"I believe we should authorize the use of epo, IGF and testosterone, as well as adrenaline and epitestosterone – substances that the body produces itself. Simply for pragmatic reasons, because it is impossible to detect them, and also because of the fairness aspect."

"Track and field, swimming, cross-country skiing and cycling can no longer be saved. Golf? Not clean either. Soccer? Soccer players come to me and say they have to be able to run up and down the touchline without becoming tired, and they have to play every three days. Basketball players take fat burners – amphetamines, ephedrin. Baseball? Haha. Steroids in pre-season, amphetamines during the games. Even archers take downers so that their arm remains steady. Everyone dopes."

[Mercdoc98]

Epic a real

Marquez won the only way he could possibly win but he he derserves the credit. He can never outbox Pacman. he doesn"t knock Pacman out and it get stopped in two rounds on a TKO for Pacman anyway cause Pacman was busting him up and it was getting worse. Marquez is a warrior but he got luck and it was just in time. Another 2 rounds and he would have been destroyed. Pacman just got over confident but thats the price ya pay. Both great warriors and both great role models. Mayweather never beat Marques because Mayweather never fought Marquez. Just more of those sissy punches that score points and trying to avoid a fight. Those two last night were true warriors, something Gayweather could never be. Bravo for both but all last night did was even it up. They need to do a fifth to settle it.

[bigsmoothh]

Me and my family, we really enjoyed this victory.
We thought Marquez was headed down hill for a
moment only to be shocked by that wonderful
knockout. God bless Mexico. Blessed the hour
I was born Mexican. All the people that talked
so much **** about Marquez, lol my heart rejoiced
and I hoped you all suffered a horrible emotion
watching this on TV. ******* idiots.
NOT INTENDED TO HUMBLE PAC FANS.

I mean we celebrated like crazy! Like we lost
out minds. We hugged, screamed, got on our knees,
kissed out women and kids. It was beautiful and I've
waited years and years for this. I mean, I figured a
a stoppage maybe. I never imagined such a KO.

The celebration came to a cease when Manny did not
get up. We all began to worry and fear the worse.
Fortunately, we was able to regain consciousness
and stand up. Even though we all wanted Manny to
get KNOCKED THE **** OUT, none of us wanted to
see him truly hurt. We are all humans and should
always hold respect for the opponent.

Saying that, I hope Manny makes a comeback into boxing
and brings the house down.

Viva Mexico, viva mi tierra que es valiente.

great post................

[stretchedout]

Hey genius.... Pacquiao was dominating the fight before and after the KD. He clearly won round 1,2,4,5 and was about to win the 6th before that right hand. So, think before you type some BS like this. Like i told you before...your hate on Pacquiao is eating your soul. And guess what....Pacquiao has had more success in his life that a hater like you.

Pac-stain, why are you here ?

Your idol got flattened, and he will not wake up until tomorrow, go pray for him.

According to the official scorecards Pac was 1 point ahead in a fight that had not even reached the half-way point..... and you are a full-blown ****** if you think that Plankiao was dominating that fight.

Maybe Manny is as stupid as you, which would explain why he got planked.

Let me guess, even though most of the boxing world knows that Mayweather would break him down, walk him down, then beat him up..... you still think that Wapacman would easily beat Mayweather, right ?

You should just leave, Pac is done, and so are you.

[Nekronicle]

lol well Marquez is delusional in general

"I was counter punching him. He was throwing a lot of punches but he was missing and so i would try to counter punch"

Anyone actually agree with that??? despite the facts saying otherwise.

Also, http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=576868

JMM fans who act as if Skill is what put Pacman on the canvas, go to that thread an LETTUCE DISK US

[stretchedout]

Source please...

In an interview Freddie Roach did with BoxingScene last week, he said he had requested additional drug testing for both Manny Pacquiao and Juan Manuel Marquez. In the interview he said the testing request was rejected. Roach appeared to be indicating it was Marquez’s side that rejected the testing but after further investigation, it appears he was indicating it was Top Rank.

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=575672

[stretchedout]

Marquez won the only way he could possibly win but he he derserves the credit. He can never outbox Pacman. he doesn"t knock Pacman out and it get stopped in two rounds on a TKO for Pacman anyway cause Pacman was busting him up and it was getting worse. Marquez is a warrior but he got luck and it was just in time. Another 2 rounds and he would have been destroyed. Pacman just got over confident but thats the price ya pay. Both great warriors and both great role models. Mayweather never beat Marques because Mayweather never fought Marquez. Just more of those sissy punches that score points and trying to avoid a fight. Those two last night were true warriors, something Gayweather could never be. Bravo for both but all last night did was even it up. They need to do a fifth to settle it.

God save me from idiot pacstain's SMH

Dude, has Manny woken up yet ?

[fitefan]

hell, it was muscle that allowed pac to win the early rounds the way he did sans the kd and ko

jmm bulked up so much he couldn't throw the straight right like he normally does