Do you think Wlad is better P4P than Pacquiao and Donaire?

[Deathknight88]

Wlad is higher than Pacquaio though.

Both fighters have become over rated for different reasons.

1-Pacquaio because of Media Hype

2- Wladimir because of people UNDER RATING HIM.

Because people under rate Wladimir, idiots tend to think he's greater than he is. It's call the 'under over effect'.

Certain fighters became so underrated, they get over rated....

Let's call a spade a spade. Pacquaio is a 2nd tier ATG. Wladimir is 3rd tier ATG.
neither are 1st tier ATG.

[Light_Speed]

He is hit less frequently, much more accurate, doesn't need as wide array of punches to be effective as Pac, and also was not ko'd recently......sounds like he is more skilled to me.

One guy is fighting good to great fighters and the other is fighting B to C level fighters, you can't be seriously trying to compare punch stats.

If Wlad fights somebody as great as Marquez P4P he gets stretched out.

What about Sanders and Purrity? Sanders would have knocked out Wlad again in the rematch. I am 100% sure of that. Wlad is the only ATG HW who would have lost an immediate rematch to somebody that upsetted him.

Liston was upset by Ali and then lost the immediate rematch.

[kenso]

Wlad is higher than Pacquaio though.

Both fighters have become over rated for different reasons.

1-Pacquaio because of Media Hype

2- Wladimir because of people UNDER RATING HIM.

Because people under rate Wladimir, idiots tend to think he's greater than he is. It's call the 'under over effect'.

Certain fighters became so underrated, they get over rated....

Let's call a spade a spade. Pacquaio is a 2nd tier ATG. Wladimir is 3rd tier ATG.
neither are 1st tier ATG.

You are a complete fool. They are CLEARLY both undeniably top tier ATGs. Wladimir is in the middle of a historic title reign. Despite who he is facing, he is DESTROYING every single fighter with ease. He is one of a few fighters who was seriously flawed and proceeded to address these flaws and put together a very large string of victories. Pacquiao went on one of the best runs in boxing history, moving up in multiple weight classes, DESTROYING many HOF fighters in the process.

You idiots can discredit ANY fighter in history if you want - but if you are going to discredit Klitschko and Pacquiao, then go ahead and discredit every single fighter that you are a fan of because no fighter in history can live up to the narrow, downright unfair criteria that you've implied. You can't outline this idiotic criteria for one fighter and then 'loosen it' for the ones you like, that is subjective. So if you are going to **** on these guys for historic careers, be sure you **** on guys like Tyson, Duran, Lewis, Ali, Haggler, because that is what you'll need to do if you want to avoid being a hypocrite. Idiot.

[Spray_resistant]

One guy is fighting good to great fighters and the other is fighting B to C level fighters, you can't be seriously trying to compare punch stats.

If Wlad fights somebody as great as Marquez P4P he gets stretched out.

Stats are tools of reflection and they reflect that what Wlad is doing is over all more efficient than Pac which would indicate that he is more skillful.

Also sorry Wlad can't create a giant HW version of JMM for him to fight and prove himself to you.

[Deathknight88]

You are a complete fool. They are CLEARLY both undeniably top tier ATGs. Wladimir is in the middle of a historic title reign. Despite who he is facing, he is DESTROYING every single fighter with ease. He is one of a few fighters who was seriously flawed and proceeded to address these flaws and put together a very large string of victories. Pacquiao went on one of the best runs in boxing history, moving up in multiple weight classes, DESTROYING many HOF fighters in the process.

You idiots can discredit ANY fighter in history if you want - but if you are going to discredit Klitschko and Pacquiao, then go ahead and discredit every single fighter that you are a fan of because no fighter in history can live up to the narrow, downright unfair criteria that you've implied. You can't outline this idiotic criteria for one fighter and then 'loosen it' for the ones you like, that is subjective. So if you are going to **** on these guys for historic careers, be sure you **** on guys like Tyson, Duran, Lewis, Ali, Haggler, because that is what you'll need to do if you want to avoid being a hypocrite. Idiot.

Ok.. Let's do this comparison than.

Sugar Ray Leonard is a 1st tier ATG.. You saying Wladimir is on par and a 1st tier ATG as well? Fine .

Let us see.

Sugar Ray Leonard Top wins: In whatever order
Roberto Duran
Tommy Hearns
Marvin Hagler
Wilfred Benitez
Ayub Kalule






Wladimir Klithscko top wins: In whatever order
Chris Byrd
Sultan Ibragimovic
David Haye
Tony Thompson
Ruslan Chagev
Eddie Chambers


Ya... they are both 1st tier ATGS.. lol.

In fact, Wladimir's BEST WIN: Chris Byrd. (who he UDed)
Was already beaten by a 20 fight Novice name Ike.. Brutally beaten.

[Deathknight88]

Stats are tools of reflection and they reflect that what Wlad is doing is over all more efficient than Pac which would indicate that he is more skillful.

Also sorry Wlad can't create a giant HW version of JMM for him to fight and prove himself to you.

Wlad is currently p4p >than Pacquaio. But Wladimir's resume is getting more and more overrated.

I respect Corrie Sanders (RIP RIP) But let's face it, this guy had one good win. Wlad.

The main question is: has Wladimir even beaten 5 B Level caliber fighters(at the time he fought them)?

Chris Byrd
David Haye
Eddie Chambers
Sultan Ibramovic
Ruslan Chagaev?

[Light_Speed]

Stats are tools of reflection and they reflect that what Wlad is doing is over all more efficient than Pac which would indicate that he is more skillful.

Also sorry Wlad can't create a giant HW version of JMM for him to fight and prove himself to you.

What part of "it's easier to be efficient against crap opposition" don't you understand? Stats don't mean **** if you're fighting B level fighters.

[Spray_resistant]

Wlad is currently p4p >than Pacquaio. But Wladimir's resume is getting more and more overrated.

I respect Corrie Sanders (RIP RIP) But let's face it, this guy had one good win. Wlad.

The main question is: has Wladimir even beaten 5 B Level caliber fighters(at the time he fought them)?

Chris Byrd
David Haye
Eddie Chambers
Sultan Ibramovic
Ruslan Chagaev?

Lets take a look at the Chagaev win for example, did you watch the fight?

Ruslan is no extraordinary talent but was a good fighter, unbeaten with some good wins and by my count before being stopped was only able to land somewhere between 9-14 punches on Wlad over 9 rounds. The domination of a fighter like him and how crazily onesided it was is impressive.

[Deathknight88]

What part of "it's easier to be efficient against crap opposition" don't you understand? Stats don't mean **** if you're fighting B level fighters.

Actually Wlad has been fighting C Level fighters.

Mariuz Wach is C Level (maybe D)
Mormeck-the version Wlad fought was C Level
Tony Thompson at age 40? B Level? Debatable.

[Deathknight88]

Lets take a look at the Chagaev win for example, did you watch the fight?

Ruslan is no extraordinary talent but was a good fighter, unbeaten with some good wins and by my count before being stopped was only able to land somewhere between 9-14 punches on Wlad over 9 rounds. The domination of a fighter like him and how crazily onesided it was is impressive.

Ruslan was a 5'11 guy who went life and death with the corpse version of John Ruiz.

Stop it.