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Last edited by boxinghead530; 10-07-2015, 12:03 PM.
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Originally posted by therealpugilist View PostYep you got it right
It may prevent him but what about Mosley then?
Back to Fernando, IMO his steroid use was a one time thing, the de la hoya fight, and now that I think about it it wont be looked at to much as far as preventing him from getting in. But he will prolly get his nod maybe 10, 15 years from now.
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Originally posted by boxinghead530 View PostMaybe in your opinion you don't think Mancini derserves to be in but IMO he is well deserving of the honor. He was an outstanding fighter in the golden age of boxing. He had historic fights and he was one of the best in his era. Add to that he was one of the youngest lightweight title winners (21 years old). He may have not had a long drawn out career but his career was great. His signifigants in boxing terms does matter and is taken into consideration, at the time outside of Ray Leonard, who was tops then, Mancini was right there. In the early and Mid 80's it was Leonard and Mancini. Plus he did have hall of fame skills. So IMO he's well deserved.
The best were Aaron Pryor, Camacho, Pernell Whitaker, Julio Cesar Chavez were the best of that era......Mancini was exctiting but he didn't win a lot of big fights
Also he lost to the best fighters he fought.....Arguello, Camacho, and Uncle RogerUncle Roger fought and beat better fighters than Mancini, also was exciting but I doubt he gets in as a fighter or as a trainer anytime soon
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Originally posted by boxinghead530 View PostDid you see who got inducted the Hall this past june? NASEEM HAMED
Mcgugan didn't really beat a lot of good fights....he meant a lot to his country but that's a lot of boxers today and the past
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Originally posted by therealpugilist View PostHe was exciting and very popular. but he was not one of the best from 135-140 in the 80's
The best were Aaron Pryor, Camacho, Pernell Whitaker, Julio Cesar Chavez were the best of that era......Mancini was exctiting but he didn't win a lot of big fights
Also he lost to the best fighters he fought.....Arguello, Camacho, and Uncle RogerUncle Roger fought and beat better fighters than Mancini, also was exciting but I doubt he gets in as a fighter or as a trainer anytime soon
Say what you want Mancini is very deserving.
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Originally posted by crold1 View PostThis year's Modern ballot has three new names for consideration:
Hector Camacho
Yuri Arbachakov
Sot Chitalada
I agree that Hector Camacho Sr is a HOFer. However, I don't recognize the other two names.
My vote 2016, for the other two would probably go to:
Ike Quartey, who for example won over Oscar De La Hoya on my card. He has unfairly been overlooked in the shadow of Pernell Whitaker, Felix Trinidad, and Oscar De La Hoya. Ike Quartey took on all the best welterweights except Pernell Whitaker and Felix Trinidad, who had their own belts. Ike Quartey wasn't afraid to fight anyone, proven by him fighting so many top 5 and top 10 fighters, at welterweight. He was, for example, defending his belt against Jose Luis Lopez in 1997, when Felix Trinidad was defending his belt against bums.
Donald Curry fought the best and won, becoming undisputed welterweight champion in the process. He was also seen as the top p4p of his time, together with Marvin Hagler, Mike Tyson and Tommy Hearns. In my opinion he is a HOFer.
Other fighters who should be considered are, for example:
Michael Nunn
Antonio Esparragoza
Meldrick Taylor
Julian Jackson, and
Israel Vazquez
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Originally posted by boxinghead530 View PostIn the early to mid '80's(the last golden age) manicini was one of the best lightweights. Mancini made his bones at 135 and he was one of the best. He lost to Arguello, who was at his zenith at that time, at the age of 20. His fight with Camacho was five years to late and that fight was close and Mancini was coming off almost a two year hiatus. And his fight with Roger was. when he was past it already.
Say what you want Mancini is very deserving.
In my opinion he doesn't belong....that's allLast edited by therealpugilist; 10-07-2015, 01:46 PM.
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Originally posted by therealpugilist View Posthe was Not past it he lost to Livingstone bramble twice
In my opinion he doesn't belong....that's all
By the way I loved Livingstone Bramble he was great and IMO deserves induction too. Outside of Puerto Rico and Cuba he's the best Caribbean fighter ever.
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Originally posted by boxinghead530 View PostIt's all good it's your opinion but reality is he is in and it's well deserved.
By the way I loved Livingstone Bramble he was great and IMO deserves induction too. Outside of Puerto Rico and Cuba he's the best Caribbean fighter ever.
All accolades are opinion based.....everyone weighs things differently
For example....
Freddie Roach won it Trainer of year 7x and is already in the Hall of fame but Roger Mayweather trained the best fighter of the passing era, Floyd Mayweather Jr. and the best female fighter, Laila Ali at the same time and never won Trainer of the year. He worked with some other decent fighters too.
Other great trainers have never won it and have just as good of resume's as Roach.....How Many times did Nacho Beristein win it??? Dude built champions from scratch and made guys champs that came to him mid career
Beristein had a lot to do with legends like Juan Manuel Marquez, Daniel Zaragoza, Gilberto Roman, etc.
Its all based of what the panel is looking for
I put a lot of weight on actually winning big fights, not just being in them.
He was pretty good but IDK if I'd put him in there he didn't last at the top very long
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