who among suspected PED user got away the most: Pacquaio, Mayweather or Marquez?

[CatchAndShoot]

I don't think PED's can give you an iron chin then no one would get KO'd lol recover faster yes the way broner does

Exactly. PEDs don't give you a chin. You either have one or you don't. And Manny wasn't knocking guys outz left and right. He was just able to accumulate damage on you, and was sharper when he moved upz because he didn't have to starve himself to make weight anymore, and because of that, was probably more durable, even though he's always been durable, minus the KO's he suffered early on when he was starving himself, not because of making weight, but because he was living in poverty, basically.


And he had to put weights in his shirts just to make weight in one fight. You know its bad when you gotta do that.

[Spoon23]

Nothing changed over the years for Pac.

While at the end of his career when floyd got older, he got ripper.

No flexing needed for Floyd. So natural lol

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Nothing changed over the years for Pac.

While at the end of his career when he got older, he got ripper.

No flexing needed for Floyd. So natural lol

Why lie I showed photos of big changes in Pac over 3 yrs , you show pics of Floyd 10 yrs apart .

The dates are more important because we all know PEDS is a shortcut .

[Spoon23]

Why lie I showed photos of big changes in Pac over 3 yrs , you show pics of Floyd 10 yrs apart .

The dates are more important because we all know PEDS is a shortcut .

??

No flexing needed @ 39 is all you needed to know Floyd looks amped.


Oh and this one. Enjoy!

Henry Armstrong’s Career Defends Manny Pacquiao from Mayweather Drug Slander

http://ringobserver.com/2015/10/06/h...-drug-slander/

If you know how to comprehend that is...

By Scoop Malinowski The boxing world has had to listen to Floyd Mayweather and his band of slandering accomplices defame and smear Manny Pacquiao as a drug cheat for several years without any defense. For years this virulent smear campaign against Pacquiao has manipulated a great number of boxing fans to suspect Pacquiao of using drugs despite not a shred of evidence, and despite the fact that Pacquiao successfully sued Mayweather and his band of slanderous accomplices, so that Mayweather threw in the towel and settled the case with Pacquiao’s lawyers for quite a hefty sum.
This issue shows how if one corrupt individual concocts a filthy lie and repeats it over and over, with some help from bought-and-paid for media puppets, and some prominent boxing figures like Paulie Malignaggi who will say whatever his puppetmaster Al Haymon want him to say, the public easily can be influenced to believe a complete hoax.
Let me illustrate: the great Henry Armstrong turned pro at the age of eighteen in 1931 with a TKO 3 loss to Al Iovino (bet you didn’t know Hammerin’ Hank lost his pro debut) in North Braddock, PA, weighing 120 pounds – when Manny Pacquiao was eleven days shy of his eighteenth birthday he had a fight and weighed in at 111 (Pac debuted at age sixteen and weighed 106) Okay, there’s a little discrepancy there, but it’s doubtful Armstrong, born in Columbus, Mississippi, lived in such poverty like Pacquiao that he was forced to share a bowl of rice with five siblings as his one meal a day growing up in the Philippines.

Let’s continue: At age 23 Pacquiao weighed 122 for two fights in 2001 – Armstrong weighed 126 for a fight the week before his 23rd birthday (TKO Alton Black in Reno). There are several other parallels between Pacquiao and Armstrong – both stood 5-5 1/2 inches tall and both had 57 inch arm reaches – and both were born in December – Pac on the 17th in 1978, Hank on the 12th in 1912. Armstrong’s career was far busier than Pacquiao – Hank’s final ring record when he retired in February of ’45 at the age of 32 was 150-21-10 with 101 knockouts – for his last fight Hank weighed 141 1/2 pounds – Pacquiao, who is still active as a pro today at 36 with a record of 57-6-2 (38 KOs), had two fights at age 33 in 2011 and weighed 143 vs Marquez and 145 vs Mosley. Armstrong was a former Featherweight, Lightweight and Welterweight (held all three belts simultaneously for short time in ’38) and had several fights where he weighed in in the mid 140s.

While it’s been scrutinized with suspicion about Pacquiao retaining his punching power as he moved up to welterweight, Armstrong also was able to maintain his hitting force into the higher weights – in his final full year as a pro, Armstrong fought eighteen times in the welter and sub-welter range and recorded ten stoppage wins in those eighteen contests in ’44.

So the logical conclusion is that Pacquiao and Armstrong, of very similar physical structure and size, both progressed similarly as men and reached their peak full physical maturity at around the same age at the same weight of around 145 – Henry Armstrong was certainly not a steroid or performance enhancing drug user and Pacquiao has never been involved with or linked to drugs or drug coaches, unlike a prime suspect like Mayweather, who has employed the known steroid expert Angel Heredia for himself and his promotional company TMT (two TMT boxers have tested positive for using illegal drugs). Heredia has openly boasted in an interview with Speigel Sport that he personally knows how to create over twenty different steroids which are undetectable to doping testers.

Adding further to suspicions about Mayweather apparent use of performance enhancing drugs, is the fact that he refused a subpoena to reveal three alleged positive tests of his own as part of the Pacquiao defamation lawsuit – and also no less image damaging is the recently reported information about Mayweather’s illegal IV the day before the Pacquiao fight of May 2 of this year, which was covered up by the Nevada Commission and USADA – this IV is suspected to have been used to mask illegal steroids in Mayweather’s body. (Since the story broke, the mainstream media has largely ignored it.)

Also thought-provoking is the fact that Mayweather hired Pacquiao’s former fitness and nutrition coach Alex Ariza, who has had plenty of time and motive to reveal any dirty secrets he may have had with Pacquiao but apparently there is nothing Ariza has to conceal about his work with Pacquiao, because Mayweather and Al Haymon surely would have amply rewarded Ariza to spill the dirt to assassinate Pacquiao’s reputation and character, which they first aspired to do back in 2009. As we know, the truth can be distorted, buried, hidden, disguised but … the truth cannot be killed. And as time goes by, the facts and evidences show that Manny Pacquiao is a clean athlete and always has been a clean, honest athlete, while Floyd Mayweather is beginning to look more and more like he could very well be the establishment fraud, created and protected and maintained by the power and money hungry establishment — not much unlike the embarrassingly pathetic example of cycling’s former hero turned international shame – Lance Armstrong.

[Spoon23]

Reloaded a more technical graph showing who weighed more through the years.

Seems like Mayweather looks more like the unnatural one here.



Floyd grew even more through the tail end of their career lol

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Reloaded a more technical graph showing who weighed more through the years.

Seems like Mayweather looks more like the unnatural one here.

So your graph shows that Manny gained in just 1 year what took Floyd 3 yrs .

Its not about the weight its the rate of change that suggests foul play , they grew fairly even until Manny burst on the scene , look at the rate of 28 to 31 yr old Floyd to Manny at 30 to 31 , Mannys rate explodes in that year like its supercharged .

Dont forget its not just the weight as Armstrong went up the weight but he wasnt ripped like Manny was .

PEDS ARE SHORTCUTS your graph shows who took the shortcuts .

[travestyny]

Floyd is like lance Armstrong of boxing. He got away with it most impreesivelky because PAC has had to put up with public humiliation .

Floyd mostly doesn't answer questions or be asked questions even? He is a joke figure on these boards but that's different. Escaped under radar, same as jmm

So let me get this straight. The most villainous character in the boxing universe, whom you compare to a cancer survivor who had everyone gushing over his feel good story, was allowed to get off easy. Well how in the hell did that happen? He isn't even asked about it. It's just swept under the rug. Why?

Did he pay off everyone, or at least the people that matter?

According to some of you he paid of USADA, but I guess not well enough since they went through with revealing the IV use and granting a TUE. You would think that if he paid them off, they would have turned a blind eye to the IV, avoided being around when it was administered, and also have no reason to grant a TUE and raise any suspicion.

Why would someone you pay off draw attention to activity that some people may think is suspicious? Why would people go after Lance Armstrong, but not Floyd Mayweather?

Does this make sense to anyone? I didn't think so.

[Spoon23]

Naah, you just cant understand how to read graphs reloaded.

And a lot of boxers are ripped and clean like Pac. The big question mark is when a boxer gets older and they become even ripper without even flexing. That's a red flag.

[b00g13man]

So let me get this straight. The most villainous character in the boxing universe, whom you compare to a cancer survivor who had everyone gushing over his feel good story, was allowed to get off easy. Well how in the hell did that happen? He isn't even asked about it. It's just swept under the rug. Why?

Did he pay off everyone, or at least the people that matter?

According to some of you he paid of USADA, but I guess not well enough since they went through with revealing the IV use and granting a TUE. You would think that if he paid them off, they would have turned a blind eye to the IV, avoided being around when it was administered, and also have no reason to grant a TUE and raise any suspicion.

Why would someone you pay off draw attention to activity that some people may think is suspicious? Why would people go after Lance Armstrong, but not Floyd Mayweather?

Does this make sense to anyone? I didn't think so.

Bingo. If there was anything to cover up, how about, you know, not even mentioning it? Makes no sense.

[Lester Tutor]

yeah PEDS clearly improves a man's reflexive defenses in the pocket and focusing mainly on the point based system because he is not as spectacular as in his younger days...

whereas another just moves on up, makes it public that he doesn't draw blood close to a fight, becomes shielded in 2014 + with ''VADA'' coincidentally promoted by HBO...

there's the physical and empirical observation on a fighter and then there's the theoretical just for fun observation that is mostly focused outside of the ring..