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How would PRIME B-Hop fare against Sugar Ray?
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Heres why............he doesn't come to fight! He plays a wait and see and tries to inject offense into the fight as he sees defiencies in the opponent. Tell who todays throws as many punches from as many angles with a high rate of landing as Robinson? Who has Hopkins ever fought that even comes close to resembling the attack that Sugar can offer? Watch some film of him and tell me who comes close.................................no one!
Hopkins was a good fighter who was a minimalists!! He took no chances and capitalized on his opponents short comings well why he's looking for that in Robinson he's gonna be getting wacked around the ring and getting hurt! Bernard is a good fighter NOT a great fighter and thats not to say a good fighter can't beat a great fighter on a given night but these fantacy fights are supposed to be at "their best" and at his best Hopkins gets beat up against a Sugar Ray Robinson's "BEST"!
Study form , learn how fighters go about their business! You'll see very few defensive minded first fighters are considered great! To be great you need to defeat some great fighters if their not avalible at the time you fight then you have to demonstrate skills are superior to your top ten!!
Hopkins is a wait and see, very cleaver but not a great fighter just a smart who is lucky he's in the era he boxed in. He is NOT successfull in all eras.
The way he wins will not work against Robinson, Robinson would make him fight and Bernard isn't a great fighter. Ray
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Originally posted by Miburo View PostDue to same-day weigh-ins being discontinued, virtually all weight classes now would be equivalent to the weight class directly above them in the previous era (ex. a modern MW would be a SMW back then). Robinson almost never even came in at the 160 limit, he was a not a big MW, and a great many of the MW champs of that era were former WWs who had moved up. Hopkins would have a big size advantage over literally all of those guys. Robinson would still give him the best fight, followed by Zale most likely, but I don't see the rest troubling him much at all.
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Originally posted by THE ИATAS View PostYeah I'm totally aware of the weight but we have to ignore that kind of stuff for fantasy fights. Plus, I think hopkins is a kind of a guy that could have done same day weigh in just fine. It's not as if the old timers weren't cutting weight to make the weight class either.
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Originally posted by Miburo View PostRegardless, Hopkins was also taller and had a longer reach than all the MW champions of that era. Many who were career MWs cut weight, but the ones who moved up from WW like Robinson did not really appear to. Consider that SRR came in at 157.5 lbs against Maxim for the LHW title.
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Originally posted by Ray Corso View PostHeres why............he doesn't come to fight! He plays a wait and see and tries to inject offense into the fight as he sees defiencies in the opponent. Tell who todays throws as many punches from as many angles with a high rate of landing as Robinson? Who has Hopkins ever fought that even comes close to resembling the attack that Sugar can offer? Watch some film of him and tell me who comes close.................................no one!
Hopkins was a good fighter who was a minimalists!! He took no chances and capitalized on his opponents short comings well why he's looking for that in Robinson he's gonna be getting wacked around the ring and getting hurt! Bernard is a good fighter NOT a great fighter and thats not to say a good fighter can't beat a great fighter on a given night but these fantacy fights are supposed to be at "their best" and at his best Hopkins gets beat up against a Sugar Ray Robinson's "BEST"!
Study form , learn how fighters go about their business! You'll see very few defensive minded first fighters are considered great! To be great you need to defeat some great fighters if their not avalible at the time you fight then you have to demonstrate skills are superior to your top ten!!
Hopkins is a wait and see, very cleaver but not a great fighter just a smart who is lucky he's in the era he boxed in. He is NOT successfull in all eras.
The way he wins will not work against Robinson, Robinson would make him fight and Bernard isn't a great fighter. Ray
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Originally posted by Ray Corso View PostHeres why............he doesn't come to fight! He plays a wait and see and tries to inject offense into the fight as he sees defiencies in the opponent. Tell who todays throws as many punches from as many angles with a high rate of landing as Robinson? Who has Hopkins ever fought that even comes close to resembling the attack that Sugar can offer? Watch some film of him and tell me who comes close.................................no one!
Hopkins was a good fighter who was a minimalists!! He took no chances and capitalized on his opponents short comings well why he's looking for that in Robinson he's gonna be getting wacked around the ring and getting hurt! Bernard is a good fighter NOT a great fighter and thats not to say a good fighter can't beat a great fighter on a given night but these fantacy fights are supposed to be at "their best" and at his best Hopkins gets beat up against a Sugar Ray Robinson's "BEST"!
Study form , learn how fighters go about their business! You'll see very few defensive minded first fighters are considered great! To be great you need to defeat some great fighters if their not avalible at the time you fight then you have to demonstrate skills are superior to your top ten!!
Hopkins is a wait and see, very cleaver but not a great fighter just a smart who is lucky he's in the era he boxed in. He is NOT successfull in all eras.
The way he wins will not work against Robinson, Robinson would make him fight and Bernard isn't a great fighter. Ray
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Originally posted by Ray Corso View PostWhat great fighters did he beat then? What great fighters did he stop? Ray.
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Originally posted by Ray Corso View PostWhat great fighters did he beat then? What great fighters did he stop? Ray.
Again, did you watch a prime hopkins or not? You didn't answer me. Because if you did I'm sure you would know he was more of a seek & destroy type fighter. He was a lot more offensive, especially compared to a post 40 year old hopkins who has slowed down a great deal for obvious reasons.
Just watch the Johnson fight for example and look at his output.
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