Pacman being protected by top rank?

[Evol]

yes he would've won the first fight. either way there would still be a rematch because manny still lost more rounds than he won that fight.

so then why 4 rematch? apparently bob doesnt mind risking making manny looked bad because pac vs jmm would make $$$ and thats all that matters to him.

[The Big Dunn]

u only explain why the 2nd rematch was made because the 1st one was a close fight. so why throw manny in with a guy who is known to give him hell, 4 times if they were trying to make manny look good?? we both know that bob doesnt care about manny as long as the money is right. so stop trying to act like bob and manny have some type of father son relationship going on.

so then why 4 rematch? apparently bob doesnt mind risking making manny looked bad because pac vs jmm would make $$$ and thats all that matters to him.

huh. your really not coherent right now. he didn't make each fight for the same reasons, you know this. why do yu keep pretendin otherwise? you are fixated on this one example because you figure if he made manny fight one tough fight then that totally refutes the notion he is protecting him.

[Grimgash]

u only explain why the 2nd rematch was made because the 1st one was a close fight. so why throw manny in with a guy who is known to give him hell, 4 times if they were trying to make manny look good?? we both know that bob doesnt care about manny as long as the money is right. so stop trying to act like bob and manny have some type of father son relationship going on.

Easiest answer is this....Most of Mannys starpower and fame that he currently has is due to Floyd. Floyd's was big after him selling himself on the 24/7 w Oscar but it got bigger when Manny came in. They make money in their fights off the prospect of them fighting.

If Bob put Manny in with Floyd and Manny lost, the allure is gone, the using Floyds name to sell fights is gone...the hype that was "Who's the better of the two" is answered and the losers sales will go down. I'm willing to bet Bob doesn't want the outcome to be unfavorable when they can continue down the same road they have been and making money, until that ends then cash out on a fight.

[The904star]

You have to remember that between the rematches, bob and roach were all saying "manny is a better fighter now. He used to be a one-handed fighter. He's a two-handed fighter now and he'll show it against Marquez." That's how they justified 2 and 3 but Marquez kept proving them wrong.

If u remember during the Freddie roach series, manny admitted that he was justlearninghow to fight counter-punchers. PAC was still learning from those Marquez fights. He never really hurt manny so it seemed like low-risk fights.

How could he think he could beat Floyd when he didn't know how to fight counter-punchers?

[Evol]

huh. your really not coherent right now. he didn't make each fight for the same reasons, you know this. why do yu keep pretendin otherwise? you are fixated on this one example because you figure if he made manny fight one tough fight then that totally refutes the notion he is protecting him.

what dont u understand?? im asking u that if bob is trying to protect manny why would he throw manny in with the only guy to ever give manny problems? all 4 times!!???

[Grimgash]

huh. your really not coherent right now. he didn't make each fight for the same reasons, you know this. why do yu keep pretendin otherwise? you are fixated on this one example because you figure if he made manny fight one tough fight then that totally refutes the notion he is protecting him.

You can just say the 4th fight was made because he had 0 other options....Didn't want Bradley, Cotto turned down the catchweight offer...they were stuck with JMM as the only fight that people would pay for at the time and JMM put up tough fights but they never thought Pac would get KO'd by him, hence the spin afterwards.

[Evol]

You have to remember that between the rematches, bob and roach were all saying "manny is a better fighter now. He used to be a one-handed fighter. He's a two-handed fighter now and he'll show it against Marquez." That's how they justified 2 and 3 but Marquez kept proving them wrong.

If u remember during the Freddie roach series, manny admitted that he was justlearninghow to fight counter-punchers. PAC was still learning from those Marquez fights. He never really hurt manny so it seemed like low-risk fights.

How could he think he could beat Floyd when he didn't know how to fight counter-punchers?

what is bob suppose to say? manny is still the same fighter but i know a rematch is gonna make me bank so thats why the rematch is happening again? and again and again and again? marquez kept proving them wrong so u would think they'll stop putting manny in with marquez after the 2nd fight???????????????????

[Evol]

You can just say the 4th fight was made because he had 0 other options....Didn't want Bradley, Cotto turned down the catchweight offer...they were stuck with JMM as the only fight that people would pay for at the time and JMM put up tough fights but they never thought Pac would get KO'd by him, hence the spin afterwards.

but if marquez is gonna exposed manny why would they risk that just because theres nobody else left for manny?? yes nobody never thought marquez would ko pac but everyone knew marquez was then only one to give pac problems and the only guy to have a chance to beat him so why risk it all 4 times if they were trying to protect manny?? i havent heard any good response yet but the same old recycle stuff that doesnt make any sense.

[Evol]

Easiest answer is this....Most of Mannys starpower and fame that he currently has is due to Floyd. Floyd's was big after him selling himself on the 24/7 w Oscar but it got bigger when Manny came in. They make money in their fights off the prospect of them fighting.

If Bob put Manny in with Floyd and Manny lost, the allure is gone, the using Floyds name to sell fights is gone...the hype that was "Who's the better of the two" is answered and the losers sales will go down. I'm willing to bet Bob doesn't want the outcome to be unfavorable when they can continue down the same road they have been and making money, until that ends then cash out on a fight.

i dont even recall bob ever using floyd's name to see a pac fight?? so bob doesnt want to risk putting manny in with floyd because if manny lose it will be hard to hype him back up even though its not set in stone that floyd will win so instead bob throws manny back in with marquez, all 4 times?? the same guy that always gives manny problems??

[Grimgash]

but if marquez is gonna exposed manny why would they risk that just because theres nobody else left for manny?? yes nobody never thought marquez would ko pac but everyone knew marquez was then only one to give pac problems and the only guy to have a chance to beat him so why risk it all 4 times if they were trying to protect manny?? i havent heard any good response yet but the same old recycle stuff that doesnt make any sense.

He wasn't supposed to, JMM is an average welterweight plain and simple. They went in with the mindset of it being a cherry pick. They didn't lose in 3 fights, the 4th would be more of the same...he was supposed to get blown out and that's what they were going for. Turns out their plan while it looked like it was gonna work, ended up backfiring and he got countered and KOd.

Pac was supposed to blow out JMM, and he was much improved they said....it wasn't because it was a risk, it was because they thought it'd be easy...which happens all the time.