Top 10 Heavies from best to worst

[Jim Jeffries]

This dosent mean the fighters now or recent would be usless in the past. I mean Tyson, Lewis, Holyfield are all amazing athletes and would have been champion in any era

Tyson and Holyfield would have had their hands full with a young Liston and Foreman.

[The Iron Man]

Does that make them useless tho? Frazier had trouble with Foreman and Patterson had trouble with liston. Ali had trouble with Frazier but non of them were usless and all of them were champions

[Hawkins]

Does that make them useless tho? Frazier had trouble with Foreman and Patterson had trouble with liston. Ali had trouble with Frazier but non of them were usless and all of them were champions

Just goes to show you that styles truly do make fights. There isn't one dominant style. Where as you think you may have the perfect style, there is always someone out there with some kryptonite to cure you of that ill advised notion.

[The Iron Man]

Yeh definatley. Althought i think a certain amount depends on the fighter aswell, I think Foreman Lost to Morrison who fought alot like frazier, but then again foreman was quite old and a young foreman would have probably done the same to Morrison as he did to frazier

[-CANE-]

I think Foreman in his first career would have destroyed Morrison within 2 rounds. Had Foreman fought more conservately in his first career like he did when he came back he probably would have beat Ali and reigned for years.

[-CANE-]

Just found an interesting site with someones take and their listing of the top heavyweights of all time.

Have just quickly skimmed through but I'll put up some stats and his ratings or a link to it. Not sure how accurate it is or the exact critera for determining his list although from quickly reading through it seems to be just on accomplishments, which I think is the only fair way to do these lists.

'TOP10' STATISTICS FOR FIGHTERS FROM 'FIGHTS'
(includes all champions '*'). August, 2005.

1. yyyy-yyyy is range of years fought Top 10 fighters
2. nn/nn is # of Top10 fighters met divided by TOTAL Registered fights.
3. .nn is result of the above division. (ie. % of Top 10 Reg. fights.)
4. #nn is the highest 'TOP 10' rating ever attained.

1. 2. 3. 4.
yyyy-yyyy nn/nn .nn #n

GEORGE GODFREY 1882-1893 8/22 = .36 #1
PETER JACKSON 1882-1898 11/24 .46 #1
*JOHN L SULLIVAN 1882-1905 5/15 .33 #1

FRANK SLAVIN 1890-1896 5/32 .16 #1
JOE GODDARD 1890-1900 17/40 .43 #1
*JAMES J CORBETT 1891-1903 8/20 .40 #2
PETER MAHER 1892-1907 20/51 .39 #1
*BOB FITZSIMMONS 1892-1909 16/32 .50 #1
TOM SHARKEY 1896-1903 15/26 .58 #1
GUS RUHLIN 1897-1905 13/34 .38 #1
*JAMES J JEFFRIES 1897-1910 8/19 .42 #1

*MARVIN HART 1902-1907 9/34 .26 #1
PH JACK O'BRIEN 1902-1911 13/93 .14 #1
*JACK JOHNSON 1902-1915 24/85 .28 #1
SAM MCVEY 1903-1920 26/67 .39 #1
*TOMMY BURNS 1904-1910 7/30 .23 #1
AL KAUFMAN 1905-1912 6/24 .25 #1
JOE JEANNETTE 1905-1919 34/98 .35 #3
SAM LANGFORD 1905-1922 58/180 .32 #1

FRANK MORAN 1912-1922 14/47 .30 #1
JIM COFFEY 1913-1917 7/42 .17 #1
GUNBOAT SMITH 1913-1921 24/81 .30 #1
*JESS WILLARD 1913-1923 5/19 .26 #1
HARRY WILLS 1913-1927 20/71 .28 #1
TOMMY GIBBONS 1914-1925 9/48 .19 #1
GEO CARPENTIER 1914-1926 7/22 .32 #2
BILLY MISKE 1916-1922 18/76 .24 #2
FRED FULTON 1917-1925 14/60 .23 #1
HARRY GREB 1918-1926 16/103 .16 #2
*JACK DEMPSEY 1918-1927 10/47 .21 #1

*GENE TUNNEY 1920-1928 11/38 .29 #1
LUIS FIRPO 1923-1924 3/17 .18 #3
GEORGE GODFREY 1924-1935 7/82 .09 #2
*JACK SHARKEY 1925-1936 18/46 .39 #1
JIMMY MALONEY 1926-1931 10/50 .20 #3
PHIL SCOTT 1927-1930 5/48 .10 #2
YOUNG STRIBLING 1927-1933 7/65 .11 #1
ERNIE SCHAAF 1929-1933 8/60 .13 #2
*JAMES J BRADDOCK 1929-1938 8/41 .20 #3

*PRIMO CARNERA 1930-1936 10/65 .15 #2
*MAX SCHMELING 1930-1939 12/32 .38 #1
*MAX BAER 1931-1941 13/45 .29 #1
ART LASKY 1932-1934 5/32 .16 #3
TONY GALENTO 1932-1939 3/78 .04 #3
*JOE LOUIS 1935-1951 24/62 .39 #1
TOMMY FARR 1937-1938 6/42 .14 #2
MELIO BETTINA 1939-1948 9/48 .19 #1

JIMMY BIVINS 1941-1952 27/81 .33 #1
TAMI MAURIELLO 1942-1952 9/52 .17 #1
ELMER RAY 1943-1948 6/51 .12 #1
*JERSY JOE WALCOTT 1945-1953 15/47 .32 #1
ARCHIE MOORE 1945-1962 17/107 .16 #1
*EZZARD CHARLES 1946-1959 23/81 .28 #1

*ROCKY MARCIANO 1951-1955 9/35 .26 #1
NINO VALDES 1952-1959 11/44 .25 #2
TOMMY JACKSON 1954-1957 9/33 .27 #2
*FLOYD PATTERSON 1954-1972 17/40 .43 #1
HENRY COOPER 1957-1970 7/45 .16 #2
*INGEMAR JOHANSSON 1958-1961 4/22 .18 #1
ZORA FOLLEY 1958-1968 9/60 .15 #2
CLVLND WILLIAMS 1959-1969 5/53 .09 #3

*SONNY LISTON 1960-1969 7/48 .15 #1
ERNIE TERRELL 1962-1972 8/39 .21 #2
*MUHAMMAD ALI 1963-1977 27/55 .50 #1
OSCAR BONAVENA 1965-1974 6/47 .13 #3
JIMMY ELLIS 1967-1975 8/27 .30 #3
JERRY QUARRY 1967-1975 15/45 .33 #3
LEOTIS MARTIN 1968-1969 4/20 .20 #2
*JOE FRAZIER 1968-1976 11/31 .35 #1

*GEORGE FOREMAN 1970-1977 7/33 .21 #1 (1st time champion)
RON LYLE 1973-1980 6/40 .15 #4
KEN NORTON 1973-1981 10/37 .27 #1
EARNIE SHAVERS 1973-1982 8/47 .17 #2
JIMMY YOUNG 1975-1982 8/41 .20 #3
GERRIE COETZEE 1976-1986 7/29 .24 #2
*LEON SPINKS 1978-1981 5/26 .19 #5
*LARRY HOLMES 1978-1995 13/58 .22 #1
JOHN TATE 1979-1980 4/23 .17 #2
MIKE WEAVER 1979-1985 7/37 .19 #2
MICHAEL DOKES 1979-1993 10/38 .26 #2

GERRY COONEY 1980-1987 4/20 .20 #1
TIM WITHERSPOON -1983-1999 8/49 .16 #2
*MICHAEL SPINKS -1985-1988 4/11 .36 #2
*BUSTER DOUGLAS -1986-1990 3/28 .11 #2
FRANK BRUNO -1986-1996 6/40 .15 #1
*MIKE TYSON -1986-2002 17/41 .41 #1
*EVANDER HOLYFIELD-1988-2002 16/34 .47 #1
OLIVER MCCALL -1989-2001 7/28 .25 #2

*GEORGE FOREMAN 1991-1994 2/22 .09 #3 (2nd time champion)
*LENNOX LEWIS 1991-2003 16/37 .43 #1
*RIDDICK BOWE 1992-1995 5/22 .23 #1
HERBIE HIDE 1994-1995 2/23 .09 #3
*MICHAEL MOORER 1994-2002 4/25 .16 #6
*SHANNON BRIGGS 1997-1998 2/23 .09 #20! (2005)
DAVID TUA 1998-2003 3/28 .11 #4
*VITALI KLITSCHKO 1999-2004 3/24 .13 #1

MICHAEL GRANT 2000-2000 1/25 .04 #3
CHRIS BYRD 2000-2004 5/25 .20 #2
JOHN RUIZ 2000-2005 5/23 .22 #2
*HASIM RAHMAN 2000-2005 7/23 .30 #3
WLAD KLITSCHKO - 0/31 .00 #2

[-CANE-]

Here is his list of top heavyweights:-
(He also lists the lineal title fights in order, I'll put a link up if anyone is interested)

ALL-TIME HIGH RATINGS. (4 Rated fights Min.) (FPM3Q)

HIGHEST LATEST STARTING RATED
RATE yyyy/mm/dd RATE yyyy/mm/dd RATE yyyy/mm/dd FITES

1.*JOE LOUIS 2583 1941/06/18 2259 1951/10/26 1960 1934/07/30 62
2.*MUHAMMAD ALI 2565 1975/10/01 2204 1981/12/11 1856 1961/02/21 55
3.*JAMES J JEFFRIES 2542 1902/07/25 2328 1910/07/04 2200 1895/09/19 19
4.*ROCKY MARCIANO 2540 1955/09/21 2540 1955/09/21 1938 1948/08/09 35
5.*LENNOX LEWIS 2536 2000/04/29 2517 2003/06/21 1944 1989/06/27 37
6.*SONNY LISTON 2534 1963/07/22 2229 1970/12/30 1771 1953/09/17 48
".*GENE TUNNEY 2534 1928/07/26 2534 1928/07/26 2106 1917/12/28 38
".*MIKE TYSON 2534 1989/07/21 2068 2005/06/11 2020 1985/10/09 40
9.*LARRY HOLMES 2532 1982/06/11 2168 2002/07/27 1867 1973/11/14 58
10.*GEORGE FOREMAN 2520 1974/03/26 2392 1977/03/17 2046 1969/08/18 33

11.*JOE FRAZIER 2519 1971/03/08 2131 1981/12/03 1877 1966/01/17 31
12.*JACK DEMPSEY 2517 1923/09/14 2401 1927/09/22 1957 1916/03/17 47
13.*JACK JOHNSON 2515 1912/07/04 1879 1931/04/28 2125 1899/03/17 85
14.*BOB FITZSIMMONS 2500 1900/08/24 2048 1914/02/20 2145 1888/02/11 32
15.*MAX BAER 2485 1934/06/14 2242 1941/04/04 2060 1929/12/30 45
16.*EZZARD CHARLES 2483 1950/09/27 1700 1959/09/01 2103 1942/10/27 81
17.*JACK SHARKEY 2480 1930/02/27 2148 1936/08/16 2195 1924/06/23 46
18. PETER JACKSON 2465 1892/05/30 2151 1899/08/24 2100 1882/01/01 24
19. SAM LANGFORD 2459 1912/12/26 1902 1926/08/02 2136 1904/11/04 181
20.*EVANDER HOLYFIELD 2457 1997/11/08 2099 2004/11/13 1824 1985/07/20 34

21.*MAX SCHMELING 2455 1936/06/19 1999 1948/10/31 1978 1927/01/13 32
22.*RIDDICK BOWE 2454 1995/11/04 2454 1996/12/14 1903 1990/07/08 22
23. KID MCCOY 2451 1900/01/12 2137 1914/08/02 1902 1895/03/13 43
24. TOM SHARKEY 2450 1900/05/08 2097 1904/02/27 2147 1895/07/25 26
25. GUNBOAT SMITH 2448 1914/01/01 1837 1921/10/10 2056 1909/11/10 81
26.*TOMMY BURNS 2444 1907/12/02 2114 1920/07/16 1987 1902/03/03 30
27.*VITALI KLITSCHKO 2438 2004/12/11 2438 2004/12/11 1848 1997/04/12 24
28. FRED FULTON 2437 1918/02/25 1977 1925/12/18 1977 1914/10/26 60
29. GEORGE GARDNER 2433 1903/07/04 1940 1908/05/18 2127 1900/05/29 34
30. KEN NORTON 2430 1977/11/05 2157 1981/05/10 1966 1968/07/23 37

31. GUS RUHLIN 2425 1900/06/26 2082 1910/01/ 2134 1896/06/30 34
".*MARVIN HART 2425 1905/07/03 2035 1910/12/20 2127 1901/01/14 34
33. HARRY WILLS 2424 1920/07/26 2173 1927/07/13 2135 1913/06/18 71
34. JOE GODDARD 2423 1891/07/20 1945 1901/07/04 2180 1889/05/26 40
35. FRANK SLAVIN 2413 1891/06/16 1780 1907/12/07 2135 1885/03/01 32
36. PETER MAHER 2410 1896/12/25 1946 1908/07/25 2200 1891/02/07 51
37.*PRIMO CARNERA 2408 1933/10/22 1802 1946/05/12 1926 1928/10/30 65
38. JERRY QUARRY 2406 1973/12/14 2193 1977/11/05 1918 1965/11/02 45
39. FRANK MORAN 2403 1916/01/07 2004 1922/12/30 2070 1908/06/ 47
". WLAD KLITSCHKO 2403 2002/12/07 2285 2005/09/24 2001 1996/11/30 32

41. SAM MCVEY 2402 1911/12/26 2067 1920/09/08 2200 1902/11/01 67
42.*JERSY JOE WALCOTT 2401 1952/06/05 2283 1953/05/15 1874 1935/10/29 47
43. AL KAUFMAN 2400 1908/12/30 1907 1914/10/26 2200 1905/05/26 24
44. MICHAEL DOKES 2398 1982/12/10 1850 1997/10/11 1801 1977/01/14 38
45.*FLOYD PATTERSON 2394 1961/12/04 2236 1972/09/20 2067 1954/08/02 40
". PAT KILLEN 2394 1891/10/11 2394 1891/10/11 2200 1886/05/01 15
47. JOE MCAULIFFE 2392 1888/10/26 2045 1897/10/19 2175 1886/01/01 16
48. PH JACK O'BRIEN 2390 1905/12/20 2130 1911/08/15 2142 1896/12/23 93
". TOMMY RYAN 2390 1904/01/27 2291 1907/03/04 1852 1894/09/13 37
50. JIMMY BIVINS 2389 1946/01/22 1917 1955/10/28 1965 1940/03/18 81

50.*JOHN L SULLIVAN 2389 1886/11/13 2196 1892/09/07 2300 1881/05/16 14
52. JOHN RUIZ 2387 2004/11/13 2387 2005/04/30 1881 1993/11/27 23
53. GEORGE GODFREY 2386 1927/09/15 2042 1937/08/10 2169 1920/05/ 82
54.*JESS WILLARD 2377 1916/03/25 2146 1923/07/12 2179 1912/07/29 19
55. STANLEY KETCHEL 2374 1910/05/27 2374 1910/05/27 2192 1908/06/04 13
56.*MICHAEL SPINKS 2372 1987/06/15 2326 1988/06/27 1862 1978/02/15 11
57. BILLY MISKE 2367 1922/08/25 2321 1923/11/06 2085 1914/05/26 76
". JACK ROOT 2367 1902/04/26 2257 1906/02/26 2156 1899/10/03 23
59. TOMMY GIBBONS 2366 1925/01/30 2295 1925/06/05 2200 1914/05/22 48
60. ARCHIE MOORE 2365 1955/05/02 2085 1962/11/15 2200 1945/11/11 107

60. JIMMY YOUNG 2365 1977/03/17 1904 1988/08/13 1830 1971/10/21 41
62. JOE CHOYNSKI 2364 1892/11/31 2090 1904/11/21 2186 1889/02/26 59
63. TONY GALENTO 2363 1939/09/15 2118 1943/06/01 1978 1929/02/22 78
". EARNIE SHAVERS 2363 1979/03/23 1840 1987/05/16 1976 1970/10/14 47
65. YOUNG STRIBLING 2362 1930/12/12 2186 1933/09/22 2178 1924/09/01 65
66. JACK DILLON 2361 1916/06/29 1847 1920/12/28 2164 1912/06/11 62
".*INGEMAR JOHANSSON 2361 1959/06/26 2287 1963/04/21 1875 1953/02/07 22
68. CARL MORRIS 2360 1917/06/04 1847 1922/12/18 2195 1910/12/20 52
". BILLY CONN 2360 1940/11/29 2161 1948/11/25 2200 1939/07/13 17
70.*BUSTER DOUGLAS 2359 1990/02/10 2044 1999/02/19 1831 1982/02/15 28

71. CHRIS BYRD 2357 2005/10/01 2357 2005/10/01 1842 1995/03/28 26
".*JAMES J CORBETT 2357 1894/01/25 2265 1903/08/14 2180 1886/01/01 20
73. JIMMY MALONEY 2353 1927/02/18 1874 1934/04/ 1962 1924/07/29 50
74. JIM COFFEY 2351 1915/05/31 1933 1921/11/18 2016 1912/03/01 42
75. JOE JEANNETTE 2350 1909/08/27 2202 1919/11/11 2200 1905/03/02 98
". BILLY DUNNING 2350 1906/09/03 2084 1910/11/24 2350 1906/09/03 4
77. MIKE WEAVER 2349 1981/10/13 1861 2000/11/18 2200 1974/08/24 37
78. GERRY COONEY 2348 1986/05/31 2115 1990/01/15 1937 1978/06/22 20
79. BILLY WILSON 2347 1885/05/26 2036 1893/05/15 2198 1884/06/24 15
80. DAN CREEDON 2345 1897/01/12 1678 1911/11/10 2139 1890/11/04 50

80. MIKE CONLEY 2345 1888/04/08 2208 1892/05/01 2043 1886/10/01 12
82. GEO CARPENTIER 2344 1914/07/16 2177 1926/07/07 2200 1913/06/01 22
83. JOE BUGNER 2343 1976/10/12 2068 1987/10/25 1948 1968/10/08 60
". FRANK BRUNO 2343 1995/09/02 2263 1996/03/16 1992 1982/03/16 40
85. FIREMAN JIM FLYNN 2342 1911/12/27 1685 1924/01/06 2111 1903/07/29 74
". ERNIE SCHAAF 2342 1931/08/31 2197 1933/02/10 2155 1927/04/01 60
". TOMMY FARR 2342 1937/08/30 1853 1953/03/09 2023 1933/11/04 42
88. GERRIE COETZEE 2340 1983/09/23 2163 1986/03/04 1929 1974/09/14 29
". BILL SQUIRES 2340 1906/12/21 1913 1916/12/16 2200 1904/11/20 16
90. DAVID TUA 2339 2002/08/17 2262 2005/10/21 1806 1993/07/10 29

90. JOHN TATE 2339 1979/10/20 2044 1988/03/30 1862 1977/05/09 23
92. JOHNNY RISKO 2338 1928/06/26 1826 1940/02/19 1961 1924/06/02 112
". MIKE SCHRECK 2338 1907/05/30 1727 1916/05/25 2118 1903/01/16 39
94. TIM WITHERSPOON 2337 1986/07/19 1944 2003/03/15 1860 1980/10/24 50
". LOU NOVA 2337 1941/04/04 2030 1945/06/25 1985 1936/10/21 46
96. FRANK CHILDS 2336 1899/03/04 2170 1904/07/06 2143 1892/02/19 39
97. KID NORFOLK 2335 1921/03/10 1842 1926/03/19 2091 1916/11/12 49
". CORRIE SANDERS 2335 2003/03/08 2279 2004/12/14 1829 1990/11/08 22
99. JACK DELANEY 2334 1927/08/11 2103 1932/04/21 2097 1923/03/03 27
100. LUTHER MCCARTY 2333 1913/04/16 2226 1913/05/24 2058 1911/12/06 13

[Hawkins]

Thats some pretty cool stats, where did you find this?

[The Iron Man]

Great Find man! could i get the Link?

[The Iron Man]

Great Find man! could i get the Link?