What's up with Mexican drug cartel brutality?

[Rocky...]

Thats some crazy **** happening in mexico, i was reading something the other week that the police in a town had all resigned due to fear from these cartels.

[Sheppirino]

This is not true....

Before you make stupid uneducated statements like this, you should at least be read on the subject.

First off, I don't think HARD drugs should be legalized, cocaine, heroine, meth...etc

Marijuana should be and it's a no brainer. People don't use more because it's legal, that is simply not true. Take Portugal as one of many examples, they had one of the strictest drug policies in all of Europe and then legalized the use of recreational drugs and their drug problem has all but gone away. Drug use in Portugal is among the lowest in Europe.

Second, alcohol and tobacco kill more people in this country than all illegal drugs combined, those are facts from stats done by the U.S own Census Bureau.

Mexican drug cartels are ruthless in their killing for one reason, it's because they want to not only send a message to other cartels and police but they want to terrorize the people they are sending the message to. It's the same thing Al-Qaeda does in beheading people.

Those drugs are being supplied for AMERICAN consumption. As long as we make these drugs hard and illegal to obtain, they will be run by criminal organizations. Just legalizing marijuana would take significant power away from these drug cartels.

I agree. Hard drugs like coke, heroin, ectasy, etc should be illegal. But weed is harmless and I don't care what anyone says. I've witnessed people do dumb **** on alcohol, coke, X, and prescription drugs. But I've never seen anyone dumb **** smoking weed. Even driving while smoking it is less dangerous than drinking and driving. I've been smoking off and on for over half my lifetime. I've never been addicted and always quitted when I wanted too. Let a hardcore coke user or alcoholic say that. But the reason the government wants weed to be illegal has to do with money. Not because they actually give a damn about the health of Americans but because of money.

Would legalizing weed stop the cartels? Did legalizing alcohol stop the mob? No. But at least they'll have one thing they can't make money off of.

[Actus Reus 21]

This is not true....

Before you make stupid uneducated statements like this, you should at least be read on the subject.

First off, I don't think HARD drugs should be legalized, cocaine, heroine, meth...etc

Marijuana should be and it's a no brainer. People don't use more because it's legal, that is simply not true. Take Portugal as one of many examples, they had one of the strictest drug policies in all of Europe and then legalized the use of recreational drugs and their drug problem has all but gone away. Drug use in Portugal is among the lowest in Europe.

Second, alcohol and tobacco kill more people in this country than all illegal drugs combined, those are facts from stats done by the U.S own Census Bureau.
Mexican drug cartels are ruthless in their killing for one reason, it's because they want to not only send a message to other cartels and police but they want to terrorize the people they are sending the message to. It's the same thing Al-Qaeda does in beheading people.

Those drugs are being supplied for AMERICAN consumption. As long as we make these drugs hard and illegal to obtain, they will be run by criminal organizations. Just legalizing marijuana would take significant power away from these drug cartels.

2006 - alcohol deaths) "In 2006, a total of 22,073 persons died of alcohol-induced causes in the United States (Tables 23 and 24).
In 2006, a total of 38,396 persons died of drug-induced causes in the United States

[jjbj2]

2006 - alcohol deaths) "In 2006, a total of 22,073 persons died of alcohol-induced causes in the United States (Tables 23 and 24).
In 2006, a total of 38,396 persons died of drug-induced causes in the United States

Where are you pulling your statistics from?

"According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) 33,808 people died in traffic crashes in 2009 in the United States (latest figures available), including an estimated 10,839 people who died in alcohol-impaired driving crashes. Drunk driving fatalities accounted for 32% of all traffic deaths last year, that is, on average someone is killed in an alcohol-impaired driving crash about every 50 minutes in the U.S. (Source: NHTSA/FARS, 2010)"

http://www.centurycouncil.org/learn-...iving-research

"Data Interpretation Issues
According to the CDC's Alcohol-Related Disease Impact (ARDI) website (http://apps.nccd.cdc.gov/ardi/Homepage.aspx), there are 54 causes of death considered to be at least partially attributable to alcohol. These include 35 alcohol-related chronic diseases (e.g., liver cirrhosis, alcohol dependence); and 19 alcohol-related inuries (e.g., motor vehicle crashes, poisonings, falls, homicide, suicide).

Alcohol-related deaths are estimated by multiplying the total number of deaths in a cause-of-death category by the percent of deaths in that category that are considered to be caused by alcohol. This percent, the so-called alcohol attributable fraction (AAF), can vary from 100% for causes of death that are completely related to alcohol use (e.g., alcoholic liver disease, alcohol poisoning); to less than 100% for causes that are only sometimes related to alcohol use. For example, per CDC ARDI, the AAF for portal hypertension is 40%. This means that 40% of deaths from portal hypertension are considered to be caused by alcohol use. The AAF for homicide is 47% and for suicide is 23%. The AAF for alcohol-related motor vehicle crashes is age- and gender-specific, ranging from 49% for males ages 25-34 to 8% for females ages 65 and over. For more information on the AAFs used here see the CDC ARDI Methods webpage (http://apps.nccd.cdc.gov/ardi/AboutARDIMethods.htm).

Why Is This Important?
Alcohol-related death, injury, and disease are a serious public health problem in the United States and in New Mexico. In the United States, alcohol is the third leading actual cause of death (after tobacco and poor diet/physical inactivity), responsible for more than 75,000 deaths per year.

Excessive alcohol consumption contributes to many different poor health outcomes. Chronic heavy drinking (defined as drinking more than two drinks a day for men and more than one drink a day for women) contributes to a variety of alcohol-related chronic diseases, including liver cirrhosis and alcohol dependence. In the most recent three-year period for which death data is available (2007-2009) the five leading causes of alcohol-related chronic disease death in New Mexico (and the corresponding death rate per 100,000 population) were: alcohol-related chronic liver disease (14.4 deaths per 100,000); alcohol dependence (5.1 deaths per 100,000); hypertension (0.7 deaths per 100,000); alcohol abuse (0.6 deaths per 100,000); and hemorrhagic stroke (0.4 deaths per 100,000). Alcohol-related chronic liver disease was the leading cause of alcohol-related death in New Mexico, with a rate almost twice the second leading cause (falls injuries)."

http://ibis.health.state.nm.us/indic...thChronic.html

My sources came from government back research from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration and the Central for Disease Control and Prevention they have no reason to lie and are not in the advancement of corporations so it ain't biased.

Is you research from a different country?

Edit: If you add 75,000 deaths from alcohol related diseases causing deaths plus the 10,000 deaths related to drunk driving accidents then you have 85,000 deaths annually (which is per year).

[Ogecca MaMa]

Drugs should not be legal, ever.

Do you think society is going to function with a bunch of druggies in the work place? Do you want someone high operating cranes and heavy machinery, driving cars and going out on weekends with far more people on drugs than normal because its now legal.

Do you want your children getting high and ruining their minds and bodies?

Saying drugs should be legal is outrageous.

what are you, 14? How many DRunk crane operators you saw?

talk about society that uses drugs? Holland my friend.

[Lady Fan]

Mexican drug cartel violence threatens Acapulco

We stopped going to the Mexican resorts. Way too dangerous now.

Daniel Reams and his wife Pamela moved from Virginia ten years ago to run a beach-side hotel in Acapulco. They have 22 rooms. But on this weekend, only four are booked. They estimate their business is off by 60 percent, reports CBS News correspondent Terry McCarthy.

"We are making a living, sort of - but it is way down from what we were," said Daniel.

The problem, they say, is that the deadly drug war has been creeping closer to tourist areas.

"The violence in the news has killed us," said Daniel.

The port of Acapulco has become a bloody battleground between rival drug cartels. Just this past weekend nearly 30 men were killed, including 12 taxi drivers shot in their vehicles. Four other men were thrown to their deaths from a bridge. And last month, 15 decapitated men were dumped at a shopping center, all in the shadow of lucrative tourist areas.

The decapitated bodies were found on the sidewalk. The drug cartels haven't directly targeted foreign tourists, but the hotels are just 10 minutes away from here. For many Americans, that's way too close.

Now tourists see truckloads of police everywhere. Two cruise lines have just canceled their Acapulco stops taking their 5,000 passengers with them. And the city is no longer among the top 100 destinations for Americans.

"You are here! You feel safe? It's safe!" answered Guerrero Governor Zeferino Toreblanca when asked if it was safe for American tourists in Acapulco.

Acapulco's governor downplays the violence, saying they expect 9 million visitors this year. But looking around - the town is eerily empty.

"I was walking down the beach this morning and every hotel here is empty on the beach side," said American tourist Garth Mark. "There was no one."

On the main tourist strip, nightclubs -- the staple of spring breakers -- are struggling. On one recent Saturday night one club only had about 20 people in it.

"You can see it right over here, it is a hard situation now," said a nightclub worker, gesturing to an empty line.

As violence creeps ever closer, many fear the tourists will stay further away.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/...20034538.shtml

[Uncle Howie]

Viva Chapo!

[Actus Reus 21]

Where are you pulling your statistics from?

"According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) 33,808 people died in traffic crashes in 2009 in the United States (latest figures available), including an estimated 10,839 people who died in alcohol-impaired driving crashes. Drunk driving fatalities accounted for 32% of all traffic deaths last year, that is, on average someone is killed in an alcohol-impaired driving crash about every 50 minutes in the U.S. (Source: NHTSA/FARS, 2010)"

http://www.centurycouncil.org/learn-...iving-research

"Data Interpretation Issues
According to the CDC's Alcohol-Related Disease Impact (ARDI) website (http://apps.nccd.cdc.gov/ardi/Homepage.aspx), there are 54 causes of death considered to be at least partially attributable to alcohol. These include 35 alcohol-related chronic diseases (e.g., liver cirrhosis, alcohol dependence); and 19 alcohol-related inuries (e.g., motor vehicle crashes, poisonings, falls, homicide, suicide).

Alcohol-related deaths are estimated by multiplying the total number of deaths in a cause-of-death category by the percent of deaths in that category that are considered to be caused by alcohol. This percent, the so-called alcohol attributable fraction (AAF), can vary from 100% for causes of death that are completely related to alcohol use (e.g., alcoholic liver disease, alcohol poisoning); to less than 100% for causes that are only sometimes related to alcohol use. For example, per CDC ARDI, the AAF for portal hypertension is 40%. This means that 40% of deaths from portal hypertension are considered to be caused by alcohol use. The AAF for homicide is 47% and for suicide is 23%. The AAF for alcohol-related motor vehicle crashes is age- and gender-specific, ranging from 49% for males ages 25-34 to 8% for females ages 65 and over. For more information on the AAFs used here see the CDC ARDI Methods webpage (http://apps.nccd.cdc.gov/ardi/AboutARDIMethods.htm).

Why Is This Important?
Alcohol-related death, injury, and disease are a serious public health problem in the United States and in New Mexico. In the United States, alcohol is the third leading actual cause of death (after tobacco and poor diet/physical inactivity), responsible for more than 75,000 deaths per year.

Excessive alcohol consumption contributes to many different poor health outcomes. Chronic heavy drinking (defined as drinking more than two drinks a day for men and more than one drink a day for women) contributes to a variety of alcohol-related chronic diseases, including liver cirrhosis and alcohol dependence. In the most recent three-year period for which death data is available (2007-2009) the five leading causes of alcohol-related chronic disease death in New Mexico (and the corresponding death rate per 100,000 population) were: alcohol-related chronic liver disease (14.4 deaths per 100,000); alcohol dependence (5.1 deaths per 100,000); hypertension (0.7 deaths per 100,000); alcohol abuse (0.6 deaths per 100,000); and hemorrhagic stroke (0.4 deaths per 100,000). Alcohol-related chronic liver disease was the leading cause of alcohol-related death in New Mexico, with a rate almost twice the second leading cause (falls injuries)."

http://ibis.health.state.nm.us/indic...thChronic.html

My sources came from government back research from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration and the Central for Disease Control and Prevention they have no reason to lie and are not in the advancement of corporations so it ain't biased.

Is you research from a different country?

Edit: If you add 75,000 deaths from alcohol related diseases causing deaths plus the 10,000 deaths related to drunk driving accidents then you have 85,000 deaths annually (which is per year).

listen man im not about to read all this bull that you posted. move to portugal and we will talk to you later(if your not dead or strung out in the middle of nowhere sucking the d for the c)

[BoZz]

Yea man that's no good all those horrible killings lot's of women and children get involved too unfortunately.

[LeG00N]

Viva Chapo!