Hypocrisy of Socialism

[ИATAS]

Stay alive, my son By Pin Yathay

A great book about the horrors of Cambodia under communism.

And a good read for anyone ******ed enough to think that communism ever was, or ever will be, a good thing.

lol, pol pot was an absolute psychopath. There was never a communist manefesto or any doctrine that stated to kill everyone and start over lol. Blaming what happened to Cambodia to communism is like blaming WWII on capitalism.

Further, the US supported pol pot for a bit there and it was the viet cong (communists) that put an end to him. hmmm

[Jim Jeffries]

lol, pol pot was an absolute psychopath. There was never a communist manefesto or any doctrine that stated to kill everyone and start over lol. Blaming what happened to Cambodia to communism is like blaming WWII on capitalism.

Further, the US supported pol pot for a bit there and it was the viet cong (communists) that put an end to him. hmmm

So the Khmer Rouge wasn't a communist movement?

What other historical revisions would you like to make?

[ИATAS]

True socialism doesn't exist. I'm going by whats actually taking place.

I argue with Vet about the same thing. He says: "this isn't really capitalism" and I'm like yeah, but "real capitalism" in the utopian way its talked about and supposedly intended has never occurred, nor will it.

To this end, having these discussions is a waste of time because we're talking about theoretical systems that have never existed.

But capitalism is based on exploitation, period. So you can say that "neither has truly existed" all you want, the obviously problems still remain as a result of the system.

Capitalism has passed its useful purpose and imo it's time to transition into something different and more productive for humanity.

[mangler jr]

lol, pol pot was an absolute psychopath. There was never a communist manefesto or any doctrine that stated to kill everyone and start over lol. Blaming what happened to Cambodia to communism is like blaming WWII on capitalism.

Further, the US supported pol pot for a bit there and it was the viet cong (communists) that put an end to him. hmmm

Henry Kissinger and Brzezinsky talk about their support of Pol Pot at length in their writings.

So the Khmer Rouge wasn't a communist movement?

What other historical revisions would you like to make?

No, it was a puppet regime run by Kissinger and Brzezinsky.

[mangler jr]

But capitalism is based on exploitation, period. So you can say that "neither has truly existed" all you want, the obviously problems still remain as a result of the system.

Capitalism has passed its useful purpose and imo it's time to transition into something different and more productive for humanity.

I agree with you. But I think its next to impossible long term.

[ИATAS]

So the Khmer Rouge wasn't a communist movement?

What other historical revisions would you like to make?

The Khmer Rouge was ran by a mad man, pol pot, who invented the "zero day" theory, which was too kill everyone and start over with only peasants. Where the fuuck in communism does it say that??? Did Karl Marx write about that? Did Lenin? Did Trotsky? DID ANYONE? Nope. Communism is about a working class democracy, etc, not killing them!!!

As a matter of fact, I just got back from cambodia, I visited the killing fields and all that. Pol Pot was a lunatic. Here are some pics I took:

[Jim Jeffries]

Did Karl Marx write about that?

You mean the guy who let 4 of his young kids starve? Despite coming from a rich family and marrying into a rich family?

Henry Kissinger and Brzezinsky talk about their support of Pol Pot at length in their writings.


No, it was a puppet regime run by Kissinger and Brzezinsky.

Ah, Brzesinsky, the same guy who pulls Obama's strings, right?:thinking1:



I'm out, you wackjobs and commies can argue amongst yourselves.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

But capitalism is based on exploitation, period. So you can say that "neither has truly existed" all you want, the obviously problems still remain as a result of the system.

Capitalism has passed its useful purpose and imo it's time to transition into something different and more productive for humanity.

Capitalism is based on competition.

How are you going to control human behavior? Please explain....

[ИATAS]

Capitalism is based on competition.

How are you going to control human behavior? Please explain....

My post in a different thread:

Under socialism the incentive is different. The incentive to come up with more efficient ways to do things is that we'd have to work less time to do the same amount of work, which means, more free time, vacation, more time for research, etc. "The amount of NECESSARY labor needed to produce the things we NEED."

Under capitalism, the ruling class does everything they can to effect the way we think. Through media, education, religion, etc. we are raised with values of a capitalist system, which is that 'dog eat dog', 'every man for himself' "bling bling" mentality. This isn't human nature, this is something we have been conditioned to think. Or in Marx's explanation - a form of false consciousness.

This kind of mentality doesn't benefit the common man...only the very rich.

This mentality would slowly go away under socialism. Since conditions determine consciousness, new generations would see the world entirely different. Think about when a baby is born. It does not know about race, violence, sexual harassment, being materialistic, greed, etc. it only learns about these things when they are passed down by society.

But in reality self-interest remains under socialism. Workers will form a class consciousness by understanding where their true self-interest lay. The bourgeoisie on the other hand have a self-interest under capitalism, in this case a class interest in controlling the class consciousness of the workers - shoring up the false consciousness of the workers that their self-interest lay with the promotion of the class system (remember the old slogan that what's good for GM is good for America--nationalism is a good tool for propping up false consciousness as is religion).

[mangler jr]

Ah, Brzesinsky, the same guy who pulls Obama's strings, right?:thinking1:



I'm out, you wackjobs and commies can argue amongst yourselves.

Yup, thats the one.

I'd leave too if I was in over my head. Pick up a book sometime and you may learn something.

This thread is about South America, if you people wanna learn about your capitalist system's exploits down there over the last 50 years, read Predatory States. A book about Operation Condor.

You probably don't know about Operation Condor do you?