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Originally posted by ADP02
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Everyone including Floyd knows that Manny beat Bradley. So to include that is just ridiculous. If Manny at some point takes Bradley on, OK but to say "needs to beat Bradley before fighting me", is a joke. Furthermore, that PROVED that Floyd wasn't ready to fight Manny even if he had beat Marquez because in his mind he also had to beat Bradley again (lol!). So imagine, you Floyd fans would be saying again that Manny doesn't want to fight Floyd yet Floyd would have the Bradley excuse/roadblock waiting on deck. Again. its a joke!
Marquez vs Manny is a rivalry. No matter which weight they fight at, as long as both can handle the weight, the fight will be a tough one for BOTH.
I'm spinning it?
You guys are the ones that keep on saying .... but, but Marquez was #2 P4P when he fought Floyd. There is even a thread made the other day that you guys defended that said the Marquez who had just moved up from 130 to 135 and fought Floyd at 146lbs was a good win. So again, who is the one spinning things?
Manny fought guys that your hero Floyd didn't want to fight back then like Margarito, Cotto, .... who were ranked.
Berto: His resume was very suspect but still would have been a fun fight to see (offense vs offense). Still, a joke to bring up at this point in time unless he somehow is able to improve on his defense. Manny would have found those holes in his defense.
Ortiz and Guerrero: What did they really do at WW? All they did was beat Berto. Am I supposed to be impressed at Floyd's pick because they are ranked by beating the same guy? Most knowledgeable boxing fans know that they are still green as far as WW division is concerned and needed more time before facing Floyd.
Ortiz was being countered effectively by Peterson at 140. He was also knocked down twice against Berto. Berto's lack of defense was the difference. Furthermore, Ortiz has shown that he can be cracked mentally.
Guerrero looked very average against Aydin and again, beat Berto due to his lack of defense and because Berto started his fight doing a bad impression of Floyd (defensively). Again, Berto got Guerrero with many counters and near knock out punches in which fortunately Guerrero absorbed well and Berto was PEDs free!
Ortiz should have taught people that beating Berto should NOT lead to fighting Floyd .... but that's OK with Floyd fans because he is ranked once he beat Berto!
Marquez vs Manny is a rivalry. No matter which weight they fight at, as long as both can handle the weight, the fight will be a tough one for BOTH.
I'm spinning it?
You guys are the ones that keep on saying .... but, but Marquez was #2 P4P when he fought Floyd. There is even a thread made the other day that you guys defended that said the Marquez who had just moved up from 130 to 135 and fought Floyd at 146lbs was a good win. So again, who is the one spinning things?
Manny fought guys that your hero Floyd didn't want to fight back then like Margarito, Cotto, .... who were ranked.
Berto: His resume was very suspect but still would have been a fun fight to see (offense vs offense). Still, a joke to bring up at this point in time unless he somehow is able to improve on his defense. Manny would have found those holes in his defense.
Ortiz and Guerrero: What did they really do at WW? All they did was beat Berto. Am I supposed to be impressed at Floyd's pick because they are ranked by beating the same guy? Most knowledgeable boxing fans know that they are still green as far as WW division is concerned and needed more time before facing Floyd.
Ortiz was being countered effectively by Peterson at 140. He was also knocked down twice against Berto. Berto's lack of defense was the difference. Furthermore, Ortiz has shown that he can be cracked mentally.
Guerrero looked very average against Aydin and again, beat Berto due to his lack of defense and because Berto started his fight doing a bad impression of Floyd (defensively). Again, Berto got Guerrero with many counters and near knock out punches in which fortunately Guerrero absorbed well and Berto was PEDs free!
Ortiz should have taught people that beating Berto should NOT lead to fighting Floyd .... but that's OK with Floyd fans because he is ranked once he beat Berto!
Your point about manny/jmm being a rivalry would be valid except Manny tried to CW cotto again first. He never gives JMM an immediate rematch. Yet when they fight you and others make this some monumental rivalry. Well if it is, then dont try and CW cotto again before fighting him. There is no way you can justify or change that.
manny only fought them because they were TR fighters. Floyd fought zab and ortiz, has manny fought them? no so can we stop that BS.
either way guerrero and ortiz won fights. you are trying to minimizse them or reduce them, but they are still wins. and, I thought in boxing if you beat a guy ranked ahead of you you move up and get better fights.
If any ww ahd lost 2 consecutive fights like manny has and tried to fight for the ww title you would have a fit and scream about it. SO dont change just because its manny.
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