ducks

[frankenfrank]

in this thread give your list of fighters and their avoided opponents.
one can also give excuses and reasons why the fights did not happen.
i start , and may edit my list in the future :
floyd mayweather :
miguel cotto
paul williams
antonio margaritto


shane mosley :
floyd mayweather
paul williams

manny pacquiao :
shane mosley

juan manuel marquez :
naseem hamed (marquez was hamed's mandatory but chose not to get his shot)

roy jones :
steve collins
frankie liles
gerald mcclellan
julian jackson


bernard hopkins :
chad dawson
reggie johnson
julian jackson
mike mccallum

kelly pavlik :
paul williams

george foreman :
lennox lewis

riddick bowe :
lennox lewis

ray leonard :
marvin hagler (rematch)

michael spinks :
tony tucker



did one of the below duck anyone :
vitali klitschko , lennox lewis , wladimir klitschko , nikolay valuev
mike tyson , evander holyfield , oliver mccall , david tua ,
sultan ibragimov , ruslan chagaev , chris byrd
john ruiz , michael moorer , hassim rahman

[Southpaw16BF]

Jack Dempsey
-Harry Willis
-Harry Greb

Tony Zale
-Charley Burley
-Jake Lamotta
-Holman Williams

Jack Johnson
-Sam Langford Rematch

Joe Calzaghe
-Glen Johnson

Ricky Hatton
-Junior Witter

[sonnyboyx2]

Lennox Lewis:

Riddick Bowe (93) & (95)
John Ruiz
Chris Byrd
Mike Tyson (96)
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Marvin Hagler

Ray Leonard (90)
Thomas Hearns
Dwight Braxton
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Joe Calzaghe

Glen Johnson - 3 times
Bernard Hopkins
Roy Jones
Dariusz Michelzchevski
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Ricky Hatton

Junior Witter
Otkal Urkal
Miguel Cotto
Vivian Harris
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Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Antonio Margarito
Miguel Cotto
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[J23]

Lennox Lewis:

Riddick Bowe (93) & (95)
John Ruiz
Chris Byrd
Mike Tyson (96)
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Marvin Hagler

Ray Leonard (90)
Thomas Hearns
Dwight Braxton
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Lewis didn't avoid Bowe and Tyson. It's actually the other way around.

And how did Hagler avoid Hearns, Leonard and Qawi? He fought Hearns. He fought Leonard and tried to get a rematch. And how did he duck Qawi? Qawi was a light heavyweight/cruiserweight, while Hagler was a middleweight.

[TheGreatA]

So you've come to this forum too?

Jess Willard avoided Fred Fulton who had handled him in a boxing exhibition.

[sonnyboyx2]

Lewis didn't avoid Bowe and Tyson. It's actually the other way around.

And how did Hagler avoid Hearns, Leonard and Qawi? He fought Hearns. He fought Leonard and tried to get a rematch. And how did he duck Qawi? Qawi was a light heavyweight/cruiserweight, while Hagler was a middleweight.

Here is a link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0eins2DhSo

Lewis also turned down $10 million in 95 to face Bowe
Lewis accepted $3 million step-a-side money when No1 contender for Mike Tysons WBC title in 96 Lewis could have said"NO" and got a gauranteed title fight and a career highest purse.. instead he waited 6yrs for Tyson to self-destruct even more...

Leonard offered Hagler a Big Money rematch in 90
Hearns chased a rematch with Hagler for 2yrs
Braxton was Light-Heavyweight Champion when Hagler was middleweight champion a match-up was often mooted but Hagler wanted none of it.

[sonnyboyx2]

So you've come to this forum too?

Jess Willard avoided Fred Fulton who had handled him in a boxing exhibition.

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive...649D946496D6CF

http://news.google.com/newspapers?ni...pg=896,2931242

[J23]

Here is a link:

Lewis also turned down $10 million in 95 to face Bowe
Lewis accepted $3 million step-a-side money when No1 contender for Mike Tysons WBC title in 96 Lewis could have said"NO" and got a gauranteed title fight and a career highest purse.. instead he waited 6yrs for Tyson to self-destruct even more...

Leonard offered Hagler a Big Money rematch in 90
Hearns chased a rematch with Hagler for 2yrs
Braxton was Light-Heavyweight Champion when Hagler was middleweight champion a match-up was often mooted but Hagler wanted none of it.

Bowe was making up an excuse. That doesn't mean it was the truth. I mean come'on.. he threw his title in the garbage can, instead of facing the man who beat him in the Olympics.

Tyson refused to fight Lewis and instead fought Seldon. I don't know about you, but choosing to fight Seldon (non-mandatory) instead of Lewis (mandatory) means you're ducking.

Hagler vs Leonard happened in 1987. Hagler kept asking for a rematch but Leonard refused. Finally, in 1989, he retired. Two years of chasing for a rematch means he was ducking?

Hagler faced Hearns and knocked him out. I don't see how that's ducking, if he already faced him and beat him.

Hagler won the middleweight championhip one year before Qawi won the light heavyweight championship.

Hagler was a natural middleweight, while Qawi was a natural light heavyweight. What would be the point in gaining all of that unnatural weight just to end up losing?

[sonnyboyx2]

Bowe was making up an excuse. That doesn't mean it was the truth. I mean come'on.. he threw his title in the garbage can, instead of facing the man who beat him in the Olympics.

Tyson refused to fight Lewis and instead fought Seldon. I don't know about you, but choosing to fight Seldon (non-mandatory) instead of Lewis (mandatory) means you're ducking.

Hagler vs Leonard happened in 1987. Hagler kept asking for a rematch but Leonard refused. Finally, in 1989, he retired. Two years of chasing for a rematch means he was ducking?

Hagler faced Hearns and knocked him out. I don't see how that's ducking, if he already faced him and beat him.

Hagler won the middleweight championhip one year before Qawi won the light heavyweight championship.

Hagler was a natural middleweight, while Qawi was a natural light heavyweight. What would be the point in gaining all of that unnatural weight just to end up losing?

Are you claiming Riddick Bowe is telling lies in the video?
Bowe vs Lewis in the Olympics was the most bazaar contest in Olympic history.. Bowe leathered Lewis in the opening round, Lewis lands 3 punches in the 2nd round and the referee stops the fight.. Bowe walks away in disbelief... Tyrell Biggs & Henry Tillman both beat Tyson in the Olympics... Jorge Louis Gonzalez beat Bowe in the amateurs... different story in the pro ranks.

Bruce Selden was WBA champion... Lewis did not have to accept that step-a-side money, he could easily have said NO

i cannot recall Hagler asking Leonard for a rematch.. yet i know that Hagler turned down a career highest payday when offered a rematch by Leonard in 1990..
Thomas Hearns broke his famous right-hand in the opening round against Hagler, he shouted for a rematch right up to the day Hagler retired.

Ring Magazine, KO magazine and many other fight publications all called for Hagler to move up to Light-Heavy and fight 5ft 6ins Dwight Braxton in a big money fight in the early 80s Hagler wanted none of it... Roy Jones, Toney, Hopkins, Calzaghe, etc etc all middleweights easily moved up threw the weights but Hagler never fancied his chances against Braxton

[TheGreatA]

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive...649D946496D6CF

The fight ended up not happening because of money demands from both parties. However it must be said that Fulton would have settled for a guarantee of less than 10,000$ while Willard demanded atleast 25,000$. In the end there was not enough money in the fight to meet those demands.

Fulton then wanted to fight Frank Moran in an "elimination" title fight to make himself more marketable but Willard fought Moran instead.

During this time Fulton went unbeaten outside of two dubious DQ losses for 4 years, including wins over Sam Langford, Gunboat Smith, Carl Morris, Charley Weinert, Frank Moran while Willard only fought Moran.

Later Willard turned down another offer to fight Fulton.

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/chicagot...S&pqatl=google

Finally even the newspapers ended up criticizing and ridiculing Willard:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...4168%2C5730531

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...=3380%2C880616

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...1041%2C5477865

There were even rumours that he had retired from boxing altogether:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...+willard&hl=en

Willard ended up avoiding Fulton long enough so that Fulton was finally beaten by an up and coming Jack Dempsey. Willard then gave Dempsey a shot and was destroyed. That was his second title defense in over 4 years.