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Round by Round Scorecard for Froch v Groves
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Originally posted by LacedUp View PostI thought he called it well tbh. Why is it worthless? It's not like he'll be biased in favour of Groves.
He called it well? He clearly changed his tune by nothing but the interviewer's questions He doesn't even know what he thinks.
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Originally posted by IronDanHamza View PostBecause the guy is clearly one of the biggest idiots in Boxing and seems like he has barely been educated.
He called it well? He clearly changed his tune by nothing but the interviewer's questions He doesn't even know what he thinks.
He was just taking it easy - I mean I was never his biggest fan for a couple of reasons, but he seemed to call it like he saw it in fairness to him.
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Originally posted by LacedUp View PostI think Froch is most certainly one of Britain's greatest ever tbh.
He's got the best resume of any fighter in Britain relative to his division in the past 30 years, maybe apart from Lewis - but not definitely imo.
And the poster said EVER, so let's not divide things into years or last whatever. Is he the best UK fighter ever?
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Originally posted by LacedUp View PostIt matters plenty, because you are using it to justify what was clearly a bad stoppage - to which you admitted yourself you'd be pissed if the roles were reversed. Or at least a stoppage you said would have come naturally had the fight gone on for 5-10 more seconds - something I don't agree with.
Show me one post where I have said that it wasn't a bad stoppage.
Infact, show me one post where I've even implied it wasn't a bad stoppage.
I have no justified the stoppage once, not once. I have stated, black and white, on numerous occasions the stoppage was horrible and very premature.
So what you're saying is nothing but complete lies as is the second part about the "fight naturally being stopped in the next 5 seconds" show me where I've said that aswell. I've never said that.
I said, IMO, I wouldn't be surprised if he was stopped later in the 9th and if not most likely in one of the next 3.
I've never justified the stoppage or said he'd get stopped immediately after if the ref didn't jump in. Nothing but fabrication on your part.
Originally posted by LacedUp View PostHis face didn't look like a complete mess, he had a couple of black eyes. It's an insult to Groves not to give him a couple of black eyes, even in sparring. Now, Froch who sat in the press conference with bruises all over his face and a swollen/partially broken jaw - his face was a mess. Groves looked like a poster boy 24 hours after the fight - which is exactly how you could tell the "punishment" wasn't severe enough to have done any particular damage.
Yeah, his face is fine That's definitely a man who took no punishment at all.
"Couple black eyes" He has two huge black eyes and a swelling and marks above his left eye.
He's never, ever looked anywhere near close to that bad ever in his career because he's never taken that kind of punishment before.
You keep brining up Froch's face like that means something. No one has disputied Froch's face was a damn sight worse. Doesn't change the fact Grove's face is also a mess.
Why lie about Froch's Jaw? His Jaw wasn't "partially broken" at all.
To say "Groves looked like a poster boy 24 hours later" is yet another completely baffling observation.
Yes, that's really a "Poster boy" there
Originally posted by LacedUp View PostI have watched all those fights plenty enough, and there was a difference in this fight. Against Taylor he didn't even lead with the jab most of the time as he was in stalking mode - he was going for the KO. The situation was similar to the Dirrell fight in that he couldn't really get it off - but he was stalking Dirrell all night as he was running for the hills. In the fight against Groves, Froch was on the back foot, lazily throwing out his jab and clinching his face often as he was afraid of what was coming. It was clear as day, and McCracken even told him between rounds to stay off the jab and hold back as he was getting countered with the right hand too easily.
Groves did a good job of taking it away at times like others have done before.
Originally posted by LacedUp View PostJim Watt did say it, and he was right. That doesn't mean I don't know how to think for myself and see when a guy has confidence in his jab or not. I have seen all of Froch's fights more or less so I know how he fights.
It was stupid when he said and the same when you repeat it word for word.Last edited by IronDanHamza; 11-30-2013, 07:56 PM.
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Originally posted by taansend View PostAll fair enough, but are you saying he's the best UK fighter ever? Because that's all I'm questioning.
And the poster said EVER, so let's not divide things into years or last whatever. Is he the best UK fighter ever?
there are a few fighters that are given a legendary status because they are retired and people like to build up the past to be better than what it is, but Froch is doing something special with his career.
in terms of fighting ability he's not up there imo technically etc. but his resume is very very strong.
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Originally posted by IronDanHamza View PostErm, no I am not.
Show me one post where I have said that it wasn't a bad stoppage.
Infact, show me one post where I've even implied it wasn't a bad stoppage
Yes it did. Denying it is just ridiculous.
Denying it is not ridiculous. Froch's only sustained assault came in round 9. When else was he putting shots together that had an effect on Groves? At the end of round 6 Groves put his hands by his side and looked a bit tired, but still Froch couldn't hit him.
Originally posted by IronDanHamza View PostHe's never, ever looked anywhere near close to that bad ever in his career because he's never taken that kind of punishment before.
Originally posted by IronDanHamza View PostYou keep brining up Froch's face like that means something. No one has disputied Froch's face was a damn sight worse. Doesn't change the fact Grove's face is also a mess.
Why lie about Froch's Jaw? His Jaw wasn't "partially broken" at all.
Originally posted by IronDanHamza View Post
To say "Groves looked like a poster boy 24 hours later" is yet another completely baffling observation.
Yes, that's really a "Poster boy" there
Originally posted by IronDanHamza View PostPerhaps you should watch closer and see his jab was no different in this fight.
Groves did a good job of taking it away at times like others have done before.
Well you copied what he said word for word so I'm not so sure.
It was stupid when he said and the same when you repeat it word for word.
whether that was what Jim Watt said or not, I don't know. I do remember him saying Froch didn't throw his jab with confidence and I remember I agreed with him.
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Originally posted by LacedUp View PostI know you've said it's a bad stoppage. But why are you alluding to the fact that Groves took punishment if you're not trying to justify or at least give reason for the stoppage then? What's the point in pointing out that he took punishment?
"Froch should have been stopped in Round 1"
To which I replied;
"The difference is Groves had taken a lot of punishment by Round 9 as opposed to Round 1 when both were still fresh"
So, again, I've not once said or even implied that the stoppage is to be justified. Nothing but sheer fabrication on your part.
Originally posted by LacedUp View PostDenying it is not ridiculous. Froch's only sustained assault came in round 9. When else was he putting shots together that had an effect on Groves? At the end of round 6 Groves put his hands by his side and looked a bit tired, but still Froch couldn't hit him.
You don't need to have a sustained attack to inflict punishment. How many sustained attacks did Chavez have on Taylor on the first 8 rounds of their fight? Did he inflict no punishment either?
Froch landed solid, heavy punches pretty much in every single round and the accumaltion of which was clearly adding up round after round as his face was showing.
Originally posted by LacedUp View PostHe's never fought at world level before. His face was also considerably marked up with cuts and bruises after Degale. Did he also take punishment in that fight?
Certainly not as damaging as Froch inflicted. But he still took some punishment of course.
The cuts and bruising was mainly due to the headbutt that landed but he landed some good punches too.
That said, his face after that fight was no where near as bad as it was after the Froch fight and never has been.
Originally posted by LacedUp View PostAnd you keep bringing up the fact that Groves took punishment, but to what cause? What's the point you are trying to make? I said swollen/partially broken. I saw some rumours about it, and I don't know what to think I'm not a doctor. But it most certainly didn't look good. He looked worse than Ali after the first Frazier fight.
The point I'm trying to make is....he took punishment?
You're the one that's ridiculously denying it and have done since I first said it. There's pretty much no one who considers Groves to have not taken punishment because it's pretty obvious that he did.
"You saw some rumours about it?" which means......absolutey nothing.
Froch and his team have confirmed his jaw is not broken. Or "Partially broken". Or damaged at all despite the swelling on his mouth.
Originally posted by LacedUp View PostSo this was on Sky Sports news 8 am. 8 hours after the fight, not 24 hours. And yes it does make a difference. You should have a look at the interview he did later on where there was barely anything to see.
Originally posted by LacedUp View PostI disagree. His jab was his main weapon in May against Kessler - something he pointed out to everyone in the post fight interview. He's often said "I've got a long stiff jab" - and he does. Just not against Groves - it was thrown lazily and without purpose at all.
whether that was what Jim Watt said or not, I don't know. I do remember him saying Froch didn't throw his jab with confidence and I remember I agreed with him.
That's what he always does.
He does have a long stiff jab, he doesn't always use it that way though like I just said. He snapped it toward Groves at times as well and had some success with it at seldom times.
Why are you acting like you don't know what Jim Watt said You've said in this thread you know what he said and that's abundantly clear when you copied him word for word.
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