Top fighters finding power late in careers

[Boxing Goat]

Does anyone have any examples of top tier fighters finding KO/TKO power late in their careers?

One example that comes to mind is Steve Collins. The guy retired early but seemed to be an average puncher, then just at the tail end of his career after getting a title he seemed to either gain power or some kind of physical edge that he didn't seem to have before. He started stopping very good opposition when before he couldn't always seem to do it.

Lets post and discuss. Thanks.

Steve Collins is my pick.

[Rudiamonds]

Jmm .......but then again he gets help from memo so Idk if that counts

[New England]

marquez was always a good puncher at FW, and even LW, but his fight at WW against mayweather and his subsequent fights at WW after hooking up with a PED guru speak for themselves.


marquez is the most obvious juicer in the history of boxing.

[Boxing Goat]

Jmm .......but then again he gets help from memo so Idk if that counts

It does count, which is what makes this interesting.....

[Boxing Goat]

marquez was always a good puncher at FW, and even LW, but his fight at WW against mayweather and his subsequent fights at WW after hooking up with a PED guru speak for themselves.


marquez is the most obvious juicer in the history of boxing.

Then the guy comes out flat against Bradley when he's being watched closely, turns around against Alvarado and looks like a million bucks again while sporting bad backne.

[stefl14]

JMM may or may not be on PEDs. However, his punching power has nothing to do with this. I have to assume that most people here have never boxed because people who box should know that taking PEDs won't improve your power. If Paulie starts taking PEDs he won't start knocking people out. Punching power is 90% technique. Speed is important too but it's mostly technique because the speed difference between fighters for a single shot is less than you would expect. This is why some apparently slow fighters hit like trucks. Fighters that get their weight behind punches, on the other hand, hit hard. It's as simple as that. While most fighters can do this on the bag, doing it in the ring is another matter altogether as it requires timing, confidence in committing to punches, a willingness to take shots etc. It's simple physics: KE=mv^2/2. This energy is what creates the force to spin the head so that the brain moves inside the cranium, which is what produces a knockout. To increase it, you need to increase m by getting heavier (not an option if you have to compete within weight categories) or by improving technique or you need to increase speed (v). Taking steroids won't make a significant difference to punching speed and definitely won't improve technique.

[Check_hooks]

JMM knocked Alvarado - who outweighed him by around 15 pounds- out of the ring from the middle of the ring

JMM has all the signs of PED's use and should be the picture in the dictionary for PED

[sargo]

JMM may or may not be on PEDs. However, his punching power has nothing to do with this. I have to assume that most people here have never boxed because people who box should know that taking PEDs won't improve your power. If Paulie starts taking PEDs he won't start knocking people out. Punching power is 90% technique. Speed is important too but it's mostly technique because the speed difference between fighters for a single shot is less than you would expect. This is why some apparently slow fighters hit like trucks. Fighters that get their weight behind punches, on the other hand, hit hard. It's as simple as that. While most fighters can do this on the bag, doing it in the ring is another matter altogether as it requires timing, confidence in committing to punches, a willingness to take shots etc. It's simple physics: KE=mv^2/2. This energy is what creates the force to spin the head so that the brain moves inside the cranium, which is what produces a knockout. To increase it, you need to increase m by getting heavier (not an option if you have to compete within weight categories) or by improving technique or you need to increase speed (v). Taking steroids won't make a significant difference to punching speed and definitely won't improve technique.

PEDs dont add power? LOOOLLL

[Sparked_26]

JMM may or may not be on PEDs. However, his punching power has nothing to do with this. I have to assume that most people here have never boxed because people who box should know that taking PEDs won't improve your power. If Paulie starts taking PEDs he won't start knocking people out. Punching power is 90% technique. Speed is important too but it's mostly technique because the speed difference between fighters for a single shot is less than you would expect. This is why some apparently slow fighters hit like trucks. Fighters that get their weight behind punches, on the other hand, hit hard. It's as simple as that. While most fighters can do this on the bag, doing it in the ring is another matter altogether as it requires timing, confidence in committing to punches, a willingness to take shots etc. It's simple physics: KE=mv^2/2. This energy is what creates the force to spin the head so that the brain moves inside the cranium, which is what produces a knockout. To increase it, you need to increase m by getting heavier (not an option if you have to compete within weight categories) or by improving technique or you need to increase speed (v). Taking steroids won't make a significant difference to punching speed and definitely won't improve technique.

logical stuff.

JMM has perfect punching technique.

What I would say though, surely, taking PED's will enable you to much harder for longer and make you less likely to unravel as the fight goes on through tiredness thus keeping your shape and maintaining your technique and enabling you to punch hard late into the fight.

I'd say pretty much all elite boxers are punchers in the first 3-4 rounds if they connect right. It is why I never understand the vilification of fighters he get caught cold and bombed out early. Seems logical if a KO is going to happen it is likely to happen early especially between to well-conditioned elite athletes. But if PED's enable a boxer to maintain his power throughout then that changes. Especially if the opponent is clean. The clean fighter will start to unravel and the cheat will still be punching hard.

[Boxing Goat]

JMM may or may not be on PEDs. However, his punching power has nothing to do with this. I have to assume that most people here have never boxed because people who box should know that taking PEDs won't improve your power. If Paulie starts taking PEDs he won't start knocking people out. Punching power is 90% technique. Speed is important too but it's mostly technique because the speed difference between fighters for a single shot is less than you would expect. This is why some apparently slow fighters hit like trucks. Fighters that get their weight behind punches, on the other hand, hit hard. It's as simple as that. While most fighters can do this on the bag, doing it in the ring is another matter altogether as it requires timing, confidence in committing to punches, a willingness to take shots etc. It's simple physics: KE=mv^2/2. This energy is what creates the force to spin the head so that the brain moves inside the cranium, which is what produces a knockout. To increase it, you need to increase m by getting heavier (not an option if you have to compete within weight categories) or by improving technique or you need to increase speed (v). Taking steroids won't make a significant difference to punching speed and definitely won't improve technique.

The bolded is completely inaccurate. If a fighter is on something that enhances his muscle reactions, IE 'burst' effect, he can most certainly gain power, if not directly from the muscle density and weight alone. That's physics for you.