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Jack Johnson's Thoughts On Joe Louis.
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Originally posted by Southpaw16bf View PostSome seem to be, but not all. George Foreman claims that Lennox Lewis is the best heavyweight of all time, and said this while Lennox was still a active fighter.
That's why I like George he gives credit if deserved.
Holmes on the other hand I love as a boxer but I can't listen to anything he says.
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Originally posted by RelliK View PostYeah I didn't mean all of them.
That's why I like George he gives credit if deserved.
Holmes on the other hand I love as a boxer but I can't listen to anything he says.
I think a prime ''trained'' Mike Tyson would of handled Shavers without much trouble to be onest.
But other than that his book is a real good read.Last edited by Southpaw16BF; 04-13-2009, 05:57 PM.
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Originally posted by TheManchine View PostJack Johnson was the advisor of number 7 ranked heavyweight contender named Leroy Haynes who fought some of the best contenders in his time and twice knocked out former heavyweight champion Primo Carnera.
Some context with Primo. The Haynes fights were of the last 3 of his career, including his last one against a novice who'd never won a single fight, the only fight he ever won. Primo was the only name Haynes, who was a game journeyman, that was the sole shining moment in his career.
Primo had a kidney disease and was diabetic. He has a kidney removed two years after the Hayne's fights. He was fighting as a sick man after his manager ran off with all his dough. See Tony Tucker and Mike Tyson to see how that plays out.
As far as what Johnson thought about Joe, Joe was like everyone Johnson ever met. Johnson saw opportunity to get something out of Joe, either talk Joe into ousting Blackburn and hiring Johnson, or allowing Johnson a title shot.
The dismissal of Joe only came after Blackburn and Louis kicked Johnson out of Joe's training camp. He was quite jealous of the attention Joe got where in the past JJ belonged to an exclusive club.
As to Flaws, Joe has less flaws than did Johnson who fought very defensively to protect a glass jaw which reduced his win totals. The irony of Johnson's death, speeding and crashing his car on the way to the Louis/Conn rematch is telling as to how important Louis actually was to him.
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I'd see Louis knocking out Johnson quite early, speaking of technical flaws - Johnson had horrible punching technique. Louis on the other hand had nice short and sharp punches.
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Johnson may have weakness (Like all fighters do) But he had more natrual ability than other pre World War 2 Heavyweight. Johnson could pick off incoming flack from the air while placing his own blows, virtually in the same movement.
Johnson also had a amazing skill set, as well as a great boxing brain. He was also stronger than his comtemporaries, including the 227 Jim Jeffiries (Do Jeffries was past his prime) whom he outmuscled up close and outboxed at range.
He often carried opponets, but possessed underrated knockout power in both hands. Between 1901 and 1926 his only losses in 87 bouts were a DQ loss against Joe Jeannette(Whom he twice beat) a points loss to Marvin Hart (Certainly a thrown fight) and a 26 round stoppage to Jess Willard, when Johnson was 37 and well past his best. Ubeliveable Stat.
But like i said Johnson like all fighter's had weakness. Johnson was often a lazy trainer and never liked to train. And 5 stoppage defeats in 113 fights does suggest he never had the hardest chin. When Champ he also drew the colour line on his own race, as he felt to risky and not enough money to fights the likes of Langford again.
But in my mind, there is no taking away Jack Johnson was a specail fighter.
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Originally posted by them_apples View PostI'd see Louis knocking out Johnson quite early, speaking of technical flaws - Johnson had horrible punching technique. Louis on the other hand had nice short and sharp punches.
But we have to look at that era's style, and for Johnson's era his Technique was brillant.
When Joe Louis was about combinations punching had come around and techniques etc.
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