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  • NASA: The Solar System and Beyond is Awash in Water

    http://www.nasa.gov/jpl/the-solar-sy...inkId=13381433

    As NASA missions explore our solar system and search for new worlds, they are finding water in surprising places. Water is but one piece of our search for habitable planets and life beyond Earth, yet it links many seemingly unrelated worlds in surprising ways.

    "NASA science activities have provided a wave of amazing findings related to water in recent years that inspire us to continue investigating our origins and the fascinating possibilities for other worlds, and life, in the universe," said Ellen Stofan, chief scientist for the agency. "In our lifetime, we may very well finally answer whether we are alone in the solar system and beyond."
    The chemical elements in water, hydrogen and oxygen, are some of the most abundant elements in the universe. Astronomers see the signature of water in giant molecular clouds between the stars, in disks of material that represent newborn planetary systems, and in the atmospheres of giant planets orbiting other stars.

    There are several worlds thought to possess liquid water beneath their surfaces, and many more that have water in the form of ice or vapor. Water is found in primitive bodies like comets and asteroids, and dwarf planets like Ceres. The atmospheres and interiors of the four giant planets -- Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune -- are thought to contain enormous quan****** of the wet stuff, and their moons and rings have substantial water ice.
    Perhaps the most surprising water worlds are the five icy moons of Jupiter and Saturn that show strong evidence of oceans beneath their surfaces: Ganymede, Europa and Callisto at Jupiter, and Enceladus and Titan at Saturn.
    Scientists using NASA's Hubble Space Telescope recently provided powerful evidence that Ganymede has a saltwater, sub-surface ocean, likely sandwiched between two layers of ice.

    Europa and Enceladus are thought to have an ocean of liquid water beneath their surface in contact with mineral-rich rock, and may have the three ingredients needed for life as we know it: liquid water, essential chemical elements for biological processes, and sources of energy that could be used by living things. NASA's Cassini mission has revealed Enceladus as an active world of icy geysers. Recent research suggests it may have hydrothermal activity on its ocean floor, an environment potentially suitable for living organisms.

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    There has to be an abundance of water in the universe, simply because of the massive quantity of those elements.

    If there's water, there is most definitely life. If there is life, what percentage of it is intelligent.

    I was reading on the Boltzmann Brain model, and my own brain almost exploded.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Spit Dialect View Post
      There has to be an abundance of water in the universe, simply because of the massive quantity of those elements.

      If there's water, there is most definitely life. If there is life, what percentage of it is intelligent.

      I was reading on the Boltzmann Brain model, and my own brain almost exploded.
      Boltzmann Brains are a paradox, that can arise in specific models of the universe. If any given model allows for Boltzmann Brains, the model is usually disregarded immediately... because it is a Paradox.

      It is not a model itself. There is no such thing as the "Boltzmann Brain model"
      Last edited by deliveryman; 04-07-2015, 01:23 PM.

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      • #4
        Complex life is probably rare, and intelligent life is very, very rare in the universe.

        But simple life (like that which existed on earth for 3 billion years before complex life evolved) is probably abundant, and may even exist elsewhere in the Solar System.

        All it requires is water (and temperatures anywhere between 0 C and over 100 C at least some of the time).

        A thermophile is an organism, a type of extremophile, that thrives at relatively high temperatures, between 41 and 122 °C (106 and 252 °F). Many thermophiles are archaea.

        Thermophilic eubacteria are suggested to have been among the earliest bacteria.
        But who knows, maybe something has evolved somewhere that can survive in extreme cold all the time.
        Last edited by The Hammer; 04-07-2015, 02:49 PM.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by deliveryman View Post
          Boltzmann Brains are a paradox, that can arise in specific models of the universe. If any given model allows for Boltzmann Brains, the model is usually disregarded immediately... because it is a Paradox.

          It is not a model itself. There is no such thing as the "Boltzmann Brain model"
          You know what I meant...

          I was watching some debate, and they kept bringing it up. Then I looked it up and started reading on it, and I still don't understand wtf it's about.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Freedom. View Post
            Complex life is probably rare, and intelligent life is very, very rare in the universe.

            But simple life (like that which existed on earth for 3 billion years before complex life evolved) is probably abundant, and may even exist elsewhere in the Solar System.

            All it requires is water (and temperatures anywhere between 0 C and over 100 C at least some of the time).



            But who knows, maybe something has evolved somewhere that can survive in extreme cold all the time.
            I don't know for one second how you can make that claim. For all we know there's billions and billions of intelligent civilizations out there.

            Who knows.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Spit Dialect View Post
              I don't know for one second how you can make that claim. For all we know there's billions and billions of intelligent civilizations out there.

              Who knows.
              We've been listening since the early 1960s and heard nothing.

              Many stars don't live nearly as long as the sun.

              It took 3 billion years of simple life on earth to evolve into complex life, and another 550 million years for complex life to evolve into intelligent life.

              And the sun is an unusually stable star.

              Others are long-lived red dwarf "M" and orange dwarf "K" flare stars. There are countless flare and variable stars which would obliterate any life starting to evolve on the planets that orbit them, and many double and triple stars around which planets would have unstable orbits.

              And we are in a relatively safe stellar neighborhood. Much of the galaxy has a greater density of stars which would mean more nearby supernovas and more stars coming close enough to a solar system to throw planets out of their orbits and driving comets in from the Oort cloud toward the inner planets.

              But although it's rare I'm sure there's intelligent life out there somewhere.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Freedom. View Post
                We've been listening since the early 1960s and heard nothing.

                Many stars don't live nearly as long as the sun.

                It took 3 billion years of simple life on earth to evolve into complex life, and another 550 million years for complex life to evolve into intelligent life.

                And the sun is an unusually stable star.

                Others are long-lived red dwarf "M" and orange dwarf "K" flare stars. There are countless flare and variable stars which would obliterate any life starting to evolve on the planets that orbit them, and many double and triple stars around which planets would have unstable orbits.

                And we are in a relatively safe stellar neighborhood. Much of the galaxy has a greater density of stars which would mean more nearby supernovas and more stars coming close enough to a solar system to throw planets out of their orbits and driving comets in from the Oort cloud toward the inner planets.

                But although it's rare I'm sure there's intelligent life out there somewhere.
                I disagree with your premise. Just because we have been "listening" for a long time, that is nothing relative to the universe.

                There could have been millions of civilizations that have existed and gone extincts by now. We live in a universe that is 14.5 billion years old, but that doesn't even take into consideration things like the multiverse theory.

                I'm more inclined to believe we aren't as unique as we think. Maybe rare, sure but the universe is so expansive, I bet you there's a lot of intelligent life out there.

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                • #9
                  The universe is just so unfathomably big that there has to be tons of everything out there.. Water, simple organisms, highly intelligent creatures... The universe is just too vast for us to be the only thing in it...
                  There was dinosaurs before us, so it's no stretch to think stuff like that can't exist elsewhere

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                  • #10
                    pssh come get me when you got me a grey or a maitre ducked tape in the trunk to show me.

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