Why do some religious people ridicule Sciences beliefs on how the Universe came to be

[arraamis]

There is a massive difference in a scientific theory which is backed up with enormous amounts of evidence, and a belief in things that cannot be proven and there is no evidence for.


A scientific theory isnt like a belief or a vague hypothesis. It becomes an established theory because of the evidence which all points to it being true.

Very different from a simple guess, or a supernatural belief.

Not at all ..... even with all the THEORETICAL so-called evidence. It is not 100% provable to be true.

Just like the religious belief .... it is a belief system based on the evidence they hold as accurate ..... Still it cannot be proven 100% to be true.

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You can debate the differences between the two sides of the aisle all you want ... Still the FACT remains, neither can be proven without a shadow of doubt.

And I challenge anyone to provide evidence where evolutionary concepts, any religious belief, or the Big Bang theory has been substantiated as actual fact.

[The Noose]

Not at all ..... even with all the THEORETICAL so-called evidence. It is not 100% provable to be true.

Just like the religious belief .... it is a belief system based on the evidence they hold as accurate ..... Still it cannot be proven 100% to be true.

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You can debate the differences between the two sides of the aisle all you want ... Still the FACT remains, neither can be proven without a shadow of doubt.

And I challenge anyone to provide evidence where evolutionary concepts, any religious belief, or the Big Bang theory has been substantiated as actual fact.

Almost any 'fact' can have doubters. We could say that life is all a dream, and reality is just our persecution as neurons fire in our brains.

Like i said, scientific theories are established because of the overwhelming evidence.
Without the evidence they wouldnt be theories.

It seems ur confusing the term 'theory' with 'belief'. A belief doesnt require evidence. Faith based religious belief doesnt require any evidence.


Someone posted a quote that said something like 'if there are two sides to an argument but one side has huge amounts of evidence, the argument isnt 50-50'.
I think thats the case when it comes to the big bang and evolution. There is no evidence for God, only mystery and faith.

[arraamis]

Almost any 'fact' can have doubters. We could say that life is all a dream, and reality is just our persecution as neurons fire in our brains.

Like i said, scientific theories are established because of the overwhelming evidence.
Without the evidence they wouldnt be theories.

It seems ur confusing the term 'theory' with 'belief'. A belief doesnt require evidence. Faith based religious belief doesnt require any evidence.


Someone posted a quote that said something like 'if there are two sides to an argument but one side has huge amounts of evidence, the argument isnt 50-50'.
I think thats the case when it comes to the big bang and evolution. There is no evidence for God, only mystery and faith.

Religious belief systems don't rely on the same TYPE of evidence that physicists do. So, it is and always has been difficult to discuss the merits of the two, side by side.

They can point to the sky or the sun and say, that there, is the evidence of a Mighty God. Still it is evidence to them and it is valid to them and in some regards it does have merit. People shouldn't discount the value people place in belief systems, because they are as convicted to their concepts as those who have scientific evidence to support their claim.

And that's why the argument remains UNRESOLVED. Scientists have theoretical concepts supported by formulas and equations on one side, while on the other religious scholars have ancient scrolls and historical testimony to support their claim.

But, the fact remains - Both sides have belief systems which are supported by many, but is still in 2010, unsupported and unsubstantiated concepts, none the less.

If either side could prove without a shadow of doubt that they found the secret to life and the origins of man ...... it would be front page news world wide. And immediately scrutinized by both side to in order to validate it.

[The Guillotine]

Wasn't the big bang theory Stephin Hawking's idea, and had something to do with black holes and singularities? Well, there are alot of facts that are shown to prove that did happen, but as to how and when it happened, nobody knows.

If someone believes God made it happen, they're acting on faith, not fact. But sometimes we need a little faith to get the facts.

[rocky_balboa23]

They say "oh the big bang yeah nothing just blew up and made everything".

But then their beliefs is that God/or a higher being created the Universe him/herself and when you ask them how was God created, they say he/she is so powerful and so great that he/she created itself.

Okay so nothing just created itself and became something?
Doesn't that sound pretty much the same, like isn't it hypocritical to make fun of the big bang theory while your theory is just as "stupid" as what you're making fun of and sounds pretty much the same?


This is an actual question of mine, Kevin, that I have been wanting to ask for a while.

Big Bang theory is acceptable for me as an explanation for what the universe is today. The problem with this theory is that question "who or what caused this big explosion? So my faith says that God caused this explosion to create the universe. God is the "first cause". So for me, God and Big Bang theory can be compromised. U cannot just accept this Big Bang Theory as an explanation of the beginning of the universe. U should ask the question, where did this big ball of fire or this singular thing came from? that answer could be the "First Cause"- God. But we will probably never know.

[arraamis]

Wasn't the big bang theory Stephin Hawking's idea, and had something to do with black holes and singularities? Well, there are alot of facts that are shown to prove that did happen, but as to how and when it happened, nobody knows.

If someone believes God made it happen, they're acting on faith, not fact. But sometimes we need a little faith to get the facts.

Georges Lemaitre was the scientist

[The Noose]

Religious belief systems don't rely on the same TYPE of evidence that physicists do. So, it is and always has been difficult to discuss the merits of the two, side by side.

They can point to the sky or the sun and say, that there, is the evidence of a Mighty God. Still it is evidence to them and it is valid to them and in some regards it does have merit. People shouldn't discount the value people place in belief systems, because they are as convicted to their concepts as those who have scientific evidence to support their claim.

And that's why the argument remains UNRESOLVED. Scientists have theoretical concepts supported by formulas and equations on one side, while on the other religious scholars have ancient scrolls and historical testimony to support their claim.

But, the fact remains - Both sides have belief systems which are supported by many, but is still in 2010, unsupported and unsubstantiated concepts, none the less.

If either side could prove without a shadow of doubt that they found the secret to life and the origins of man ...... it would be front page news world wide. And immediately scrutinized by both side to in order to validate it.

The supernatural by its very nature is outside the realms of science. Pointing to the sun and suggesting it is evidence of a god is just not understanding what the sun is, and how it came to be. It isnt evidence at all. Its a belief based on ignorance, not evidence.

You cant honestly say that peoples beliefs and scientific theories are evenly balanced. That throws the door open to anyones beliefs. There has to be established which side has more weight to the argument.

The big bang and evolution has an awful lot of weight behind them. Whereas God and creationism do not. Creationism relies on attempting to prove evolution wrong. And it hasnt. It has no evidence of its own. Evolution is still the best explanation.

Its the same with the big bang.

Belief in a god is not scientifically based. It is faith based. A faith and a theory are two separate things.

[arraamis]

With advances in science, all theories are being challenged today and many are coming up short. Which substantiates what I stated, that no belief\theory has been successfully VALIDATED.

Big Bang Theory Busted By 33 Top Scientists
hoop://www.rense.com/general53/bbng.htm

DARWIN'S THEORY LOSING GROUND; Recent Studies in Evolution Have Modified in Some Respects the Famous Law of Natural Selection.
hoop://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstrac...6E9C946196D6CF

[The Noose]

With advances in science, all theories are being challenged today and many are coming up short. Which substantiates what I stated, that no belief\theory has been successfully VALIDATED.

Big Bang Theory Busted By 33 Top Scientists
hoop://www.rense.com/general53/bbng.htm

DARWIN'S THEORY LOSING GROUND; Recent Studies in Evolution Have Modified in Some Respects the Famous Law of Natural Selection.
hoop://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstrac...6E9C946196D6CF

'With advances in.....SCIENCE'.

Science debunks science. Ur argument was that religious belief and scientific theory are both equal. They are separate things.

How evolution happens has always been debated by scientists, not whether evolution happened, but HOW it happened.

[Sin City]

this is exactly how it happened: