Every single fight the Klitschkos take is an automatic cherrypick

[JAB5239]

I have fought of this false analogy a million times. People working under the assumptions that 6'6 guys have to feint and throw bodyshots.

WHY? It's the smaller fighters job to throw body shots to break down the bigger man, not the other way around. Why would a big guys lower himself to the smaller opponents level and try to throw body shots on the inside, with their long arms?

Why would they throw combinations? Are they Welterweights? Are they even the 190 Heavyweights from years past? No they're 250 pound giants who have found a one-dimensional way of dominating their opponents. Why would they do more? Are they supposed to do the shuffle like Ali did, do qualify as having good footwork?

Did Ali throw a lot of body shots in his heydays?

They dominate because their opponents are unskilled for the most part so they can get away with it because of their size. What happens when they face an opponent who possesses these skills and are just as big? What happens when they fight a guy with power who can consistently make them miss and pay for their lack of skills? I realize those types fighters aren't around at the moment but their have been plenty of them in the past. Wlad was beaten by Sanders and Brewster, two fighters who don't have half the talent or skills of past greats. Vitaly faced major problems from an old Lennox and a Chris Byrd who simply didn't have the power to make him pay. There are plenty of other fighters in history who would have though. Of we're going to compare them to past greats and assess how they might do than skills is a major issue. We can't just say because they beat the fighters of today that they would have their way in any era. It just doesn't work like that in my opinion.

[GG Magic]

The Klitschko's are beasts, but the division does suck. (Helenius is ranked 5th by the RING LOL)

[cupocity303]

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They dominate because their opponents are unskilled for the most part so they can get away with it because of their size. What happens when they face an opponent who possesses these skills and are just as big?

That would be Vitali vs Wlad, facing someone who has the same weapons for the first time. None of the greats of the past have this.

What happens when they fight a guy with power who can consistently make them miss and pay for their lack of skills? I realize those types fighters aren't around at the moment but their have been plenty of them in the past.

Not really, this is just wishful thinking. All the past opponents are even smaller, with less athletic ability. Just like today, some were in good shape and some weren't.

Wlad was beaten by Sanders and Brewster, two fighters who don't have half the talent or skills of past greats.

[SIZE="3"]Old argument. Again, this was when Wlad wasn't at his best and was doing what he isn't supposed to do, expending too much energy for a 6'6, 250lb guy being one of them, a mistake he has since corrected. I know it's difficult for people to accept that, since the brothers hardly ever struggle or lose, thus we nitpick the few mistakes they do make, unlike those greats from the past, who lost and struggled in fights all the time. And Brewster has plenty of talent. Again, why is that when Wlad dominates an opponent, he is nothing. And when he gets beaten by an opponent, that fighter is also nothing? Brewster has a great chin, good power, and can bang and fight back from adversity. He isn't so different from Joe Frazier or Sonny Liston. And he was in good shape during his prime.[/QUOTE]

Vitaly faced major problems from an old Lennox and a Chris Byrd who simply didn't have the power to make him pay.

That's one way of looking at it. Another way would be that aside from Vitali dominating everyone before those two fights and dominating everyone after those fights, he showed that he can gut it out in a tough back and forth fight vs Lennox. He took punches and he dished them back in return. If one wondered what Vitali had if he had to dig down deep, he showed it that night against Lennox. To me, that's a plus. Chris Byrd, he owned him and would've owned him even worse in a rematch.

There are plenty of other fighters in history who would have though.

The more years you go back in history, the smaller the fighters are, with less capabilities against a 6'6 effective Boxer like Vitali and Wlad. Every time you talk about Wlad or Vitali losing or struggling against an opponent, you have to talk about those past "Fighters in history" who have struggled and lost to opponents. You add it all up and the conclusion is, Wlad's & Vitali's losses are less significant compared to the losses the Greats in the past took in their heyday, - in determining who would beat who.

Of we're going to compare them to past greats and assess how they might do than skills is a major issue. We can't just say because they beat the fighters of today that they would have their way in any era. It just doesn't work like that in my opinion.

Maybe so. But throwing a bunch of names from the past around and assuming they would give two consistently dominant fighters hell for sure, because these two dominant brothers lost one fight here and there, in between all the dominant victories, which are 90% of their career, ALSO DOESN'T LIKE THAT, IN MY OPINION.

[Vadrigar.]

Because there are no good fighters to avoid..

They are so extremely overrated it's funny.

They've been dominating slugs and snails for their entire careers. The Klitschko f@g boys overrate them.

[Macks]

Yes remember in the glory days of boxing where such quality opposition was tony tubbs and peter mcneely

they cant all be like golden era top 10's, like Randall "Tex" Cobb, bro.

[MetalVomit]

they're not to be blamed for the lack of talent, all they have to do is win, and win they do.

[BigStereotype]

It's not really their fault that nobody today is good enough to compete with them.