Tyson would be done with Vitali by round 6. Vitali would then tag in his chinless brother for round 7 and Wlad wouldn't see round 8.
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Vitali Klitschko kicks Prime Mike Tyson's ass
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Originally posted by Cupocity303 View PostWhat was I implying? My comment that you replied with a
is what I'm implying.
And the other thing that I'm implying is just what I said. No data of a prime Tyson, beating anything close to a Lewis, not even a 35 year old Lewis, yet alone a younger version of Lennox.
All we got to go on is a "prime" Tyson building his record against Journeymen, before his title shot. And after that, it's a old, coming of losses, Larry Holmes. And his best victory, over a prime Michael Spinks in less than a round, which I give him credit for.
Do any of those wins tell us anything about his ability to handle 6'5, 6'6, 6'7 guys with very good boxing ability. Lennox-esque? Vitali-esque?
We've got more data on Vitali, and what he can do, at his prime (Vs a older Lennox, you can discredit it if you want, but he showed his toughness). We've got data on Vitali coming off a 4 years layoff. And we've got data on what a 40 year old Vitali can do.
All we've got on Tyson is his mid 80's performances, everything after that was downhill, and fans operating on wishful thinking than any real analysis.
but the most important thing for rating a fighter and judging an fantasy match up is
style, skill and then physical atributes if the others are equal....
data and stats dont mean as much as the other things IMO
but u were dissing tyson and u sounded cynical in ur post thats why i gave it to u
i appologise for that tho cause i didnt warrant it
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If this "prime" Mike couldn't put away bums like Mitch Green and James Tillis then I don't take seriously anybody who says he beats tonight's Vitali for one second. And later on, still pre jail, he was struggling against bums like Ruddock and was KTFO'd by feather fisted Douglas. He's not in Vitali's class at any point.
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Originally posted by Gordon Gekko View PostTyson would be done with Vitali by round 6. Vitali would then tag in his chinless brother for round 7 and Wlad wouldn't see round 8.
Picking winners in Fantasy Boxing matchups isn't your area of expertise.
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Originally posted by ghns1133 View Post
style, skill and then physical atributes if the others are equal....
data and stats dont mean as much as the other things IMO
Referring to the Klitschko's never having beaten any ATG's (which is a status, not what you can do) and how the others have.
It's interrelated because Mike, of all the former greats has done the least to show his ability. 27 of his wins, in his prime were done in his first year as a pro, against Journeymen. He didn't exactly go to prison, in his prime years, like Ali did. He went out on a loss.
Basically every win he has, that was impressive, usually tells us how good he was. But every loss he's had, there is a built in excuse. Whether it's personal distractions, age, or completely shot. Meanwhile Vitali is still here, at age 40, doing it like he did it at age 30.
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Personally I think Tysons style is the right one for the brothers. Whether he could pull it off is another matter but I think its on the right track .
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