Floyd is undefeated because he works the hardest

[thuggery]

hmm I wonder out of the 24% who voted Pac won, how many were from "Knights of Ako Pa ha?"

Anyway, I saw Marquez beating Pac 8-4 rounds. Simple as that.

[turbotime]

you defend what you saw, not other people
back it up, tell us in detail what you saw, break it down



don't cop out, we're having a good talk here
no gayweather vs Pacroid bullshit, come with real observations
defend your stance, how did Floyd beat Castillo?

I had Castillo beating Mayweather. And I had Marquez beating Pacquiao twice. So do I now get to hand out fake victories to them?

Floyd 41-1 and Pac now only has a draw against Marquez?

[jtiger777]

you defend what you saw, not other people
back it up, tell us in detail what you saw, break it down



don't cop out, we're having a good talk here
no gayweather vs Pacroid bullshit, come with real observations
defend your stance, how did Floyd beat Castillo?

it cold have went either way, wasnt he hurt? no excuses but when i saw the fight i though castillio won but ive watched it again and it could clearly go either way... well to be fair they had a immediate rematch.... and floyd won

[Jack Napier]

I had Castillo beating Mayweather. And I had Marquez beating Pacquiao twice. So do I now get to hand out fake victories to them?

Floyd 41-1 and Pac now only has a draw against Marquez?

if that's what you saw, that's what you state
think Montell beat Roy? Chavez earned his Whitaker draw?
what we clearly see is not always what the judges say
if you feel a loss/win/draw, was incorrect, you say so
don't piggyback official results or public majority
assess a fighter's record as you personally see it
think Castillo won and JMM won?
don't hold your tongue because the judges don't agree with you
say it, and if debated, back it up

[thuggery]

it cold have went either way, wasnt he hurt? no excuses but when i saw the fight i though castillio won but ive watched it again and it could clearly go either way... well to be fair they had a immediate rematch.... and floyd won

yep he had a shoulder injury and went on to fight anyway still beating him, and then completely dominated him in the rematch with no injury

[Jack Napier]

it cold have went either way, wasnt he hurt? no excuses but when i saw the fight i though castillio won but ive watched it again and it could clearly go either way... well to be fair they had a immediate rematch.... and floyd won

nobody disputes the rematch, Floyd beat him straight up

[turbotime]

if that's what you saw, that's what you state
think Montell beat Roy? Chavez earned his Whitaker draw?
what we clearly see is not always what the judges say
if you feel a loss/win/draw, was incorrect, you say so
don't piggyback official results or public majority
assess a fighter's record as you personally see it
think Castillo won and JMM won?
don't hold your tongue because the judges don't agree with you
say it, and if debated, back it up

Agreed. I've always said Floyd lost to Castillo, regardless, he avenged the defeat handily. It doesn't mean Floyd loses his standing, he came back and avenged a possible loss which is what champions do. If anything it makes him greater. Pacquiao's greatness takes a hit because he was outboxed twice by Marquez after that first fight, and once in a fight that was out of Marquez' weight class by two classes.

That looks bad IMO.

[Jack Napier]

Agreed. I've always said Floyd lost to Castillo, regardless, he avenged the defeat handily. It doesn't mean Floyd loses his standing, he came back and avenged a possible loss which is what champions do. If anything it makes him greater. Pacquiao's greatness takes a hit because he was outboxed twice by Marquez after that first fight, and once in a fight that was out of Marquez' weight class by two classes.

That looks bad IMO.

never said Floyd loses his standing as a great fighter
just don't view him as undefeated, thought he unarguably lost to JLC
and don't dispute his win in the rematch, never have
and getting outboxed isn't a crime unless it leads to a defeat
Pac only outboxes bigger guys, he's an attacker with smaller guys
JMM matched Pac the 2nd time, he just suffered a crucial KD
that 3rd rd stole Pac a razor thin win
agreed Pac looked bad in the 3rd fight
it was a shit fight for him to take and he looked ish
doesn't take anything away from his overall greatness though
just from the HBO hype that he's evolved into a great boxer, he hasn't

[turbotime]

never said Floyd loses his standing as a great fighter
just don't view him as undefeated, thought he unarguably lost to JLC
and don't dispute his win in the rematch, never have
and getting outboxed isn't a crime unless it leads to a defeat
Pac only outboxes bigger guys, he's an attacker with smaller guys
JMM matched Pac the 2nd time, he just suffered a crucial KD
that 3rd rd stole Pac a razor thin win
agreed Pac looked bad in the 3rd fight
it was a shit fight for him to take and he looked ish
doesn't take anything away from his overall greatness though
just from the HBO hype that he's evolved into a great boxer, he hasn't

Yeah, Pac hung his head in shame in the 3rd fight. He knew he didn't deserve that decision. I know the feeling of getting gifted in fights.

[Jack Napier]

Yeah, Pac hung his head in shame in the 3rd fight. He knew he didn't deserve that decision. I know the feeling of getting gifted in fights.

that fight was a cherrypick
Pac thought JMM had nothing for him
he knew he was made to look stupid since he was supposed to win by KO
he failed to do that, but that doesn't mean he lost outright
he deserves the criticism he's gotten for that fight
just not seeing how JMM "dominated" him
he kept him from looking like a juggernaut, which no one expected
JMM has gotten extra credit for that since he was supposed to get KO'd
those 2 fought evenly in the 3rd fight, nobody dominated