Speed V Power

[PunchDrunk]

Only one person in here has made any sense so far... Power is Mass (Weight) x Acceleration (which is Speed). Since boxing has weight divisions, the only physiological factor (technique also plays a big part) that Power is dependant upon in a given division, is Speed. Without Speed, there is no Power. Mike Tyson was one of the most powerful punchers of all time because he was so damn explosive (fast!)
George Foreman was a heavy puncher because he was big and heavy, had he been faster he would have hit a lot harder (he couldn't knock out Ali).
Malinnagi's lack of punch power is two things: He's too defensive minded to put his weight into his shots, hence less power, and second, his socalled "speed" is more about timing and his "vision" for boxing, than any physical attribute (not that he's slow).

[!! Shawn]

Which would you prefer to have naturally?

Neither. Id take intelligence over both any day of the week.

[!! Shawn]

Only one person in here has made any sense so far... Power is Mass (Weight) x Acceleration (which is Speed). Since boxing has weight divisions, the only physiological factor (technique also plays a big part) that Power is dependant upon in a given division, is Speed. Without Speed, there is no Power. Mike Tyson was one of the most powerful punchers of all time because he was so damn explosive (fast!)
George Foreman was a heavy puncher because he was big and heavy, had he been faster he would have hit a lot harder (he couldn't knock out Ali).
Malinnagi's lack of punch power is two things: He's too defensive minded to put his weight into his shots, hence less power, and second, his socalled "speed" is more about timing and his "vision" for boxing, than any physical attribute (not that he's slow).

That is wrong on many levels. Force = Weight x Acceleration is only relevant in terms of arm punches. At the shoulder rotation level even the fastest punches probably fall under 5 mph. The difference in force between turning your shoulders at 3 mph and 5 mph is insignificant.

As we all know arm punches are not knockout punches. Fast hands are good for stinging punches, nothing else. If you theory was correct, putting weight behind punches would be unneeded as the speed and force behind a fast moving arm would provide all the power you need.

True power comes from the proper application of leverage. Obviously if you do jostle the brain fast enough to temporarily disrupt functioning, your power wont do much, and that can be seen in some fights were a fights is able to take the punches of a murderous puncher when they are not known for a strong chin.

[J_CON]

speed. You can gain more power than speed

[aussieboxer2320]

That is wrong on many levels. Force = Weight x Acceleration is only relevant in terms of arm punches. At the shoulder rotation level even the fastest punches probably fall under 5 mph. The difference in force between turning your shoulders at 3 mph and 5 mph is insignificant.

As we all know arm punches are not knockout punches. Fast hands are good for stinging punches, nothing else. If you theory was correct, putting weight behind punches would be unneeded as the speed and force behind a fast moving arm would provide all the power you need.

True power comes from the proper application of leverage. Obviously if you do jostle the brain fast enough to temporarily disrupt functioning, your power wont do much, and that can be seen in some fights were a fights is able to take the punches of a murderous puncher when they are not known for a strong chin.

haha classic shawn

[PunchDrunk]

That is wrong on many levels. Force = Weight x Acceleration is only relevant in terms of arm punches. At the shoulder rotation level even the fastest punches probably fall under 5 mph. The difference in force between turning your shoulders at 3 mph and 5 mph is insignificant.

As we all know arm punches are not knockout punches. Fast hands are good for stinging punches, nothing else. If you theory was correct, putting weight behind punches would be unneeded as the speed and force behind a fast moving arm would provide all the power you need.

True power comes from the proper application of leverage. Obviously if you do jostle the brain fast enough to temporarily disrupt functioning, your power wont do much, and that can be seen in some fights were a fights is able to take the punches of a murderous puncher when they are not known for a strong chin.

No you misunderstand mass x acceleration = power on many levels.

Mass x acceleration = power is relevant to the impact of the punch, this has nothing to do with arm punches, but with impact.
The shoulder rotation you're babbling about is one of the technical aspects I mentioned. Obviously proper technique is required to get full power. It is also required to utilize your physical potential for speed however.

The leverage you talked about is weight applied technically correct.

Technique is a very important part of boxing is the summation of what you just said. Whoopee. That is irrelevant to this thread however, because it is about the physical, not technical attributes called speed and power. It (the thread subject) is also based on an erroneous supposition that you have to sacrifice one to have the other, which is not true. Power comes from speed, and is directly dependent upon it. That is what I tried to clarify in my post.

[Verstyle]

Power can take you out at any time.

THREAD CLOSED

[PunchDrunk]

Power can take you out at any time.

THREAD CLOSED

Slippery shoes can take you out at any time

[!! Shawn]

No you misunderstand what mass x acceleration = power on many levels.

Mass x acceleration = power is relevant to the impact of the punch, this has nothing to do with arm punches, but with impact.
The shoulder rotation you're babbling about is one of the technical aspects I mentioned. Obviously proper technique is required to get full power. It is also required to utilize your physical potential for speed however.

Technique is a very important part of boxing is the summation of what you just said. Whoopee. That is irrelevant to this thread however, because it is about the physical, not technical attributes called speed and power. It (the thread subject) is also based on an erroneous supposition that you have to sacrifice one to have the other, which is not true. Power comes from speed, and is directly dependent upon it. That is what I tried to clarify in my post.

But that is not true. Power is not dependent on speed. The percentage of power that is contributed by the kinetic energy imparted into your arm during a punch is a rather insignificant amount.

I didn't want to have to break out the math to prove you wrong, but I will if necessary.

You seem to be incorrectly implementing the force = mass * acceleration formula into your argument.

[PunchDrunk]

But that is not true. Power is not dependent on speed. The percentage of power that is contributed by the kinetic energy imparted into your arm during a punch is a rather insignificant amount.

I didn't want to have to break out the math to prove you wrong, but I will if necessary.

You seem to be incorrectly implementing the force = mass * acceleration formula into your argument.

No argumentation in what you just said whatsoever. Power is dependent on speed. If I throw a bullet lightly at you, it won't even bruise you. If the same bullet is accelerated by a gun, it'll go right through you. A truck hitting you at 2 mph might give you a good bump, but at 50 mph, it'll break every bone in your body, and send you flying.
A punch thrown at your chin with correct leverage but no speed will be a tap or a push. As you accelerate the speed of that punch, you increase the power.

Edit: You're welcome to record one of your vids of you throwing a punch at 2 miles an hour that has the power to knock someone out, since power isn't dependent on speed.