Basic income for all the citizen...

[Amazinger]

Which begs the question, should I still receive it if I'm making that much? Won't ppl who are not good with money protest and say my $2500 should be redistributed to ppl who need it? When does it end?

I suppose there should be a cap on it, If you are no longer in need of it then you should tell them so. (perhaps your Income tax file should be the trigger to stop the payment sort of thing....)

[One_Tycoon]

Surprised that failed there. I thought those people were more progressive about that stuff.

A basic income is gonna happen sooner or later. There is gonna be robots that can steal any job out there in the next 50 or so years. More & more factories will be going dark & just having people from home monitoring them & having legit workers going in to fix problems. More service oriented businesses will be robots helping you with maybe a legit security guard or something like that. Dealing with real people is gonna be some **** that only goes down in luxury service oriented companies. McDonald's, Taco Bell & Walmart gonna have the minimal amount of real people in them.

So eventually a job is gonna be harder to attain & keep for the most skilled humans like it or not & there will still be all these companies trying to sell **** so something has to come to a head. Either a lot of companies will need to go outta business or you gotta give the masses x free money a month to keep economies alive.

This is all incorrect. If jobs are gonna be automated, then you need rethink the concept of an "income" also. As human beings, we will never run out of things to do. Question is...are we gonna get compensated for it.

If we are no longer bound to an 8 hour work day or doing a 40 hour work week, doing something menial and repetitive...then it will free up time to do other "jobs" or things that ppl otherwise wouldn't have done before. Something to also keep in mind is that the natural consequence of the cost of labor going down [automation] is that prices of goods should also go down drastically [absent of any government/central bank artificial tinkering of the money supply]. Things would be dirt cheap if everything we use was manufactured by robots.

It wouldn't take a lot of "Money" to stay alive and consume products that are being created by robots. Nobody needs to give you "money" or a "basic income" to stay alive. You could hustle and do things for ppl, like mawing their lawn or doing their chores. A normal person could afford giving you that money whereas before they couldn't and would do those basic tasks themselves. No minimum wage necessary. The creative field would expend with more ppl making money writing, music or creating a NBA style basketball league for short guys and making money off of it [not millions of dollars, but 100's and it would be enough to cover your costs/expenses]. More ppl would invest their finite time into becoming a youtube celebrity [even if a moderate one] editing videos and uploading them on the daily for a few coins.

Some ppl would have stock ownership of those robots as the "rich" might not necessarily own all the robots and keep all the "profits" to themselves while everyone starves. It makes no sense because who would they sell all those products to that the robots are churning out?

The stock market would still be there. More ppl would get hired to do non-essential jobs, sitting down doing next to nothing and the compensation would be enough for all expenses...providing this is all done in a natural free market setting, and no central planners are trying to manipulate the money supply or grow government.

Another thing to consider is that helping ppl would be a lot easier. Those few in the minority who are truly helpless & weak... and can't hustle for the small amount of money it takes to cover all basic expenses...ppl would be a lot more willing to help them voluntarily as it wouldn't cost them much. Currently, ppl get angry at a street bum or a welfare case because they're working 40 hours a week and harbor anger and negative attitudes towards those who don't work and still get to eat and drink. With that pressure/burden off of everyone, not many ppl would be angry or unwilling to help the poor sap who can't do anything to make a little coin and buy the dirt cheap food and products that will get consumed.

[Eff Pandas]

How much do you think the basic income should be let say in the U.S.
And what one should be doing to be eligible to receive them.

I mean this should not be like a welfare cheque.

**** brother, I don't even claim to be that smart about the economy to guess on that. I'd assume there is a very logical way to come up with a number doe if you got all the relevant information about what companies need to take in from consumers to stay afloat & even profit.

I just know human employers are slowly becoming a liability for companies & will eventually reach an impasse & it'll make hiring robots to do formerly human only jobs an easy jump to make. And that robot technology is coming closer & closer to being real. For example there are now self driving cars. How long before that takes out the whole truck driving workforce? Idk, but it certainly will sooner or later. And you can do that for many whole industries.

I don't expect the US to do that til things get really bad as we have a extreme good things happen to good people, bad things happen to bad people approach to most things here so morality is at play with many things in the US so this will be seen as some hustle for people that just wanna be lazy. But like I said eventually its gonna reach a point where it'll be less expensive & damaging to the economies of the US & the world to just throw consumers some money each week, month or year to go consume. Otherwise there'll be a ****show as the economy comes crashing down as a critical mass of humans are unable to spend enough to keep many companies afloat. This won't be about giving free **** to lazy people, it'll be about not allowing a countries or the world economy to come crashing down.

[Eff Pandas]

[B][COLOR="DarkRed"]This is all incorrect. If jobs are gonna be automated, then you need rethink the concept of an "income" also. As human beings, we will never run out of things to do. Question is...are we gonna get compensated for it.

If we are no longer bound to an 8 hour work day or doing a 40 hour work week, doing something menial and repetitive...then it will free up time to do other "jobs" or things that ppl otherwise wouldn't have done before. Something to also keep in mind is that the natural consequence of the cost of labor going down [automation] is that prices of goods should also go down drastically [absent of any government/central bank artificial tinkering of the money supply]. Things would be dirt cheap if everything we use was manufactured by robots.

It wouldn't take a lot of "Money" to stay alive and consume products that are being created by robots. Nobody needs to give you "money" or a "basic income" to stay alive. You could hustle and do things for ppl, like mawing their lawn or doing their chores. A normal person could afford giving you that money whereas before they couldn't and would do those basic tasks themselves. No minimum wage necessary. The creative field would expend with more ppl making money writing, music or creating a NBA style basketball league for short guys and making money off of it [not millions of dollars, but 100's and it would be enough to cover your costs/expenses]. More ppl would invest their finite time into becoming a youtube celebrity [even if a moderate one] editing videos and uploading them on the daily for a few coins.

Mowing lawns? LOL. I'm actually surprised there isn't a Roomba like lawnmower out there already tbqh. But nah EVENTUALLY everything can be automated via AI robot technology. There are way smarter cats then anyone here suggesting that comedians & actors will be robots at some point. The reality is people aren't THAT creative. Almost all of it if not all of it will be able to be duplicated if not surpassed by AI robot technology. You can't envision it right now cuz it sounds crazy like us being able to talk right now over "tubes" if I was trying to explain the internet to some random guy in 1950. Things are moving fast.

Although I suppose there is some opportunity to move beyond a money oriented world, but I have a hard time seeing how that works with how about money everything is right now. Thats some Zietgeist type **** right there, but maybe we move to that instead of a basic income. I just think a basic income is more likely.

[krazyn8tive]

I don't think they are a "large segment of the population". Although they exist they can be curbed in the future by healing them.
Sort of how the "health care system" heal the population.

We already live in a society where the model of return is yielded by hard work/working hard yada yada...yet we have people who want fast, easy money or free money. America is fat, lazy, and addicted.

[One_Tycoon]

Mowing lawns? LOL. I'm actually surprised there isn't a Roomba like lawnmower out there already tbqh. But nah EVENTUALLY everything can be automated via AI robot technology. There are way smarter cats then anyone here suggesting that comedians & actors will be robots at some point. The reality is people aren't THAT creative. Almost all of it if not all of it will be able to be duplicated if not surpassed by AI robot technology. You can't envision it right now cuz it sounds crazy like us being able to talk right now over "tubes" if I was trying to explain the internet to some random guy in 1950. Things are moving fast.

Although I suppose there is some opportunity to move beyond a money oriented world, but I have a hard time seeing how that works with how about money everything is right now. Thats some Zietgeist type **** right there, but maybe we move to that instead of a basic income. I just think a basic income is more likely.

Automation will speed up rapidly in certain areas because the Govt is forcing companies to automate due to their artificially increasing the cost of labor [see McDonald's].

But i wouldn't worry about complete automation. If we had a real free Market, we'd be in paradise already with flying cars all over the place. But since this is turning into a socialist-collectivist idiocracy...with progression in new technology slowing down due to the system churning out self-entitled cultural marxist brats who feel entitled to free everything while smoking pot, fornicating and listening to crappy music...no worries about complete automation. They will be working until their dying days waiting for social security, with the retirement raised up to 80.

When's the last time a big innovation came out of Norway or Denmark...where it's supposedly paradise with cradle to grave comforts paid for by high taxation?

[One_Tycoon]

Mowing lawns? LOL.

And yes mowing lawns. No matter how good the mower, someone will always operate it. In fact...if one doesn't end up mowing lawns as a chore or for a profit...it will be kept around as an activity similar to fishing. I know ppl who enjoy doing it, like working on their old, broken car in their garage forever.

And there is no real profit in improving a mower to the point that it can not only operate itself but calculate the length/width of a yard it's supposed to mow. I don't see anyone putting in that much effort into improving lawn mowers. It's not a big struggle that needs to be improved to make us more efficient and productive.

[Eff Pandas]

But i wouldn't worry about complete automation

I'm not worried. Complete or 95%+ automation won't be around til 50-100 years probably. I'm just saying its coming & so is basic income or some yet undiscovered or unused means of living besides capitalism. If you or I are around when it comes doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things except to you & I. And if things get to a point where its impossible to near impossible to get a job in the US in my lifetime I'll just try to move to another country who has implemented a basic income already or who's got a more progressive system to this issue.

[SouthPawHitman]

Surprised that failed there. I thought those people were more progressive about that stuff.

A basic income is gonna happen sooner or later. There is gonna be robots that can steal any job out there in the next 50 or so years. More & more factories will be going dark & just having people from home monitoring them & having legit workers going in to fix problems. More service oriented businesses will be robots helping you with maybe a legit security guard or something like that. Dealing with real people is gonna be some **** that only goes down in luxury service oriented companies. McDonald's, Taco Bell & Walmart gonna have the minimal amount of real people in them.

So eventually a job is gonna be harder to attain & keep for the most skilled humans like it or not & there will still be all these companies trying to sell **** so something has to come to a head. Either a lot of companies will need to go outta business or you gotta give the masses x free money a month to keep economies alive.

Sweet. I love getting money and not having to work for it. I'll be getting up at about 12 cooking a bacon egg and cheese sandwich,going to the liquor store and buy whiskey,get hammered and blackout,wake up and repeat.

[Eff Pandas]

And yes mowing lawns. No matter how good the mower, someone will always operate it. In fact...if one doesn't end up mowing lawns as a chore or for a profit...it will be kept around as an activity similar to fishing. I know ppl who enjoy doing it, like working on their old, broken car in their garage forever.

And there is no real profit in improving a mower to the point that it can not only operate itself but calculate the length/width of a yard it's supposed to mow. I don't see anyone putting in that much effort into improving lawn mowers. It's not a big struggle that needs to be improved to make us more efficient and productive.

This is nuts. For sure 100% absolutely without a doubt lawn mowing technology hasn't stopped. There will always be ways to improve things. I don't really see much different in the Roomba vs some sort of robot lawnmower like I said so I'm surprised there isn't something already. Although obviously there is more danger in something with blades running around your yard vs something vacuuming up **** in your house, but the overall sentiment is the same. And you don't even need to invent a self mowing lawnmower once robot technology has advanced enough to do this job. All these cats running around with mowers in the summer will just purchase robots who will mow each lawn perfectly & quicker than a human can & will scoop up all the business. The robots are coming brother lol.