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  • #21
    Originally posted by PACK View Post
    Again you cant argue. Guarantee I can name more bums that Ali fought than you can name bums joe fought. Joe gets trash for fighting RJJ, Ali fought 50 year old, Light heavyweight Archie Moore.
    ok then...im going to end this thread...

    Ali Beated...

    Sonny Liston
    Joe Frazier
    George Foreman (Only Man to Ever KO George Foreman)
    Ken Norton
    Jerry Quarry
    Ernie Terrell
    Henry Cooper
    Floyd Patterson
    Ernie Shavers
    George Chuvalo
    Oscar Bonavena
    Ron Lyle
    Bob Foster
    Leon Spinks

    so **** you and your ****ty thread... and p.s. the only notable guys joe beat were

    Mikkel Kessler
    Chris Eubank
    Roy Jones Jr
    Bernard Hopkins
    Jeff Lacy

    so that answers your question...now go troll away somewhere else

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    • #22
      Originally posted by geribeetus View Post
      actual bums? neither fought any once they got their career going. bums don't exist at the level joe and ali reached. both fought plenty of guys who weren't exactly atgs, but calling any of them bums is a real stretch.
      So a HW champion fighting Chuck Wepner is alright? So if Floyd fought a Chuck Wepner calibur guy, you know a guy whose last fight was in the YMCA against 14-30-3 Charlie Polite...that would be ok? Fighting a guy 30 lbs lighter than you with 6 pro fights when youre champion is ok? If Vitali did that youd be ok with that? Why did Ali fight Bob Foster? Who was 42 lbs lighter than him and would probably be a SMW today? And again, who the heck is Rudi Lubbers?

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        • #24
          Ali fought everyone in front of him and ducked nobody, Calzaghe ducked so many people and waited untill they were old. Their names shouldn't be in the same sentence when talking about who fought more bums.
          Clean answer, Calzaghe.

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          • #25
            Originally posted by BritishBoxing92 View Post
            ok then...im going to end this thread...

            Ali Beated...

            Sonny Liston
            Joe Frazier
            George Foreman (Only Man to Ever KO George Foreman)
            Ken Norton
            Jerry Quarry
            Ernie Terrell
            Henry Cooper
            Floyd Patterson
            Ernie Shavers
            George Chuvalo
            Oscar Bonavena
            Ron Lyle
            Bob Foster
            Leon Spinks

            so **** you and your ****ty thread... and p.s. the only notable guys joe beat were

            Mikkel Kessler
            Chris Eubank
            Roy Jones Jr
            Bernard Hopkins
            Jeff Lacy

            so that answers your question...now go troll away somewhere else
            Failure

            again, dude, its called reading. Left to right, up and down. You put letters together to form words, words to form sentences. Sentences form complete thoughts. You feel me? The question wasnt, "Who beat the better people." If it was, you would have provided your answers, however pitiful and denounced they already are. The question is and was, "Who fought the most bums." It doesnt matter who they beat. thats not the question. The question is which one of them fought the most inexcusable matchups. You know, fights that they were almost guaranteed victory, or against an opponent with 6 pro fights, or who weighed 40 lbs less than them, or who was coming off of a loss, or who had previously fought in a YMCA? That is the question. Ali could have beaten Joe Calzaghe and it wouldnt matter, because the question is who fought the most bums, not who beat the most overrated people, or paid off people, or who won the most joke decisions. If so your list would be appropriate.

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            • #26
              Originally posted by NChristo View Post
              Ali fought everyone in front of him and ducked nobody, Calzaghe ducked so many people and waited untill they were old. Their names shouldn't be in the same sentence when talking about who fought more bums.
              Clean answer, Calzaghe.
              really, so why didnt ali give young or foreman or shavers a rematch and instead fought guys like Rudi Lubbers, Leon Spinks, or Chuck Wepner? To me having the opportunity to rematch Foreman and instead fighting Rudi Lubbers is ducking. Also, of course Ali was confident to fight anyone. The judges gave him gifts and if worse came to worse and you were knocked unconcious in the 4th round against a Light Heavyweight balding out of shape british man, you can just have your trainer rip your glove and give you smelling salt.

              Also, I am fairly certain I could beat a paid off Sonny Liston who got knocked out by a shadow.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by BritishBoxing92 View Post
                ok then...im going to end this thread...

                Ali Beated...

                Sonny Liston
                Joe Frazier
                George Foreman (Only Man to Ever KO George Foreman)
                Ken Norton
                Jerry Quarry
                Ernie Terrell
                Henry Cooper
                Floyd Patterson
                Ernie Shavers
                George Chuvalo
                Oscar Bonavena
                Ron Lyle
                Bob Foster
                Leon Spinks

                so **** you and your ****ty thread... and p.s. the only notable guys joe beat were

                Mikkel Kessler
                Chris Eubank
                Roy Jones Jr
                Bernard Hopkins
                Jeff Lacy

                so that answers your question...now go troll away somewhere else
                This is all the evidence needed.

                And RJJ was shot to ****, B-Hop was old (and arguably robbed) and Chris Eubank was at the tail end of his career.

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by TheGreatA View Post
                  Ali throughout his whole career fought only one opponent with more losses and wins, and that was a late substitute to the original opponent. He fought a greater percentage of top 10 ranked contenders than almost any other heavyweight.
                  Well thats that. Good work.

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                  • #29
                    Seriously go through Ali's fights after his comeback, almost everyone but Foreman was a joke, or coming off of a loss.

                    Alvin Lewis- Lost to Oscar Bonavena

                    Jerry Quarry-cruiserweight

                    First Frazier- Loss

                    Jimmy Ellis-LHW, lost the year before

                    Buster Mathis-Joke, hadnt fought in 2.5 years, coming off a loss to Jerry Quarry, weighed 30lbs more.

                    Juergen Blin-can you imagine if PBF fought a guy named Juergen Blin? Lost 6 months earlier to Joe Bugner

                    Mac Foster- lost ayear before to Jerry Quarry

                    George Chuvalo- 83 years old, lost 11 months earlier to Jimmy Ellis


                    Jerry Quarry-yep he needed a rematch....

                    Floyd Patterson-Yep HW's should fight 185 pounders twice....

                    Bob Foster- Can you imagine, if Floyd fought a guy who 1. was a flyweight and 2. fought him at MW and the guy didnt gain any weight. Why the F is Ali giving a HW NABF fight to a guy moving up from 175? Joke.

                    Joe Bugner- Lost to Frazier a year before

                    Ken Norton- Ali Lost

                    Ken Norton 2- Ali at best tied, but most non-******ed have him winning

                    Rudi Lubbers- Cruiser coming off of a loss....

                    Joe frazier 2-Frazier shot and coming off of a loss to Foreman

                    Foreman-The only good win in Ali's joke career. Refused to rematch him.

                    Chuck Wepner- guy Ali fought instead.

                    Ok im bored, every Ali fight was garbage, most overrated clown of all time. they call him the greatest because he called himself that.

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by NChristo View Post
                      This is all the evidence needed.

                      And RJJ was shot to ****, B-Hop was old (and arguably robbed) and Chris Eubank was at the tail end of his career.
                      Uhh...if you think RJJ was shot, you should have seen Archie Moore, who was wheeled into the ring. Just wondering of the above names, how many weighed less than 200 or were coming off of a loss? Oh and i fyou think BHop was arguably robbed then Ali cant get credit for any Norton win, shavers or Young win.

                      Also Liston was paid off thats 10x worse than shot.

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