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  • #11
    Originally posted by Ray Corso View Post
    It's all about WHO you stop not how many and how soon. Stopping bums or trial horses is expected so not much weight on those situations.
    Not much credence in Tyson stopping an older Holmes who in his prime would be a straight up match for Tyson just watch Evander vs Tyson you'd see Holmes dedicate that same style to Tyson. Of course you'd need to know a fighters "complete" history to access equal primes. Holmes vs Tyson was a quick sign for Larry and he grabbed all the pennies he could.

    Morrison and Bruno punched well but they fought nobodies, Foreman hit hard and took hard punches. George was the heavier handed man and Shavers hit harder than Morrison & Bruno. Marciano's punch was strong but it was more about the arm angles he used and the tightness of his shots. He had those chopping shots that hurt even if they glanced off his target. Dempsey had a similar attack along with Tyson. Frazier also but Joe was really a one handed
    power guy.
    The Klitz bros is ridiculous along with Wilder, they've fought no one who could actually punch back. Max Baer would be more feared in today's boxing era than the Klitz bros. or Wilder.

    Ray
    So Tyson being the only one knocking Holmes out has got not much credence?

    Bruno and Morrison fought nobodies? Already shown statistically in the op if you actually read the Least rounds per won/drawn world title fight part and understand it, as Bruno only won one and Morrison two title fights, respectively.
    Last edited by jiopsi; 09-29-2016, 04:19 AM.

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    • #12
      No one really claims the statistically hardest hitter is the hardest hitter. They are two different things. In fact the two statistical categories offered are two different measurements, and do not represent precisely the same thing.

      The statistical concept is interesting, if only as an alternative viewpoint. Where the concept is doomed to fall shortest is in its neglect of other factors contributing to quick KO's, such as Tyson's amazing speed at producing combination plates. In KO's, accuracy is more than 50% of it. Tyson had superb accuracy. I hate to think how heavy Foreman's hands were when I consider his dismal accuracy yet high, quick percentage. George did not have speed, snap or accuracy, but his punches got people out of there anyway.

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      • #13
        Originally posted by The Old LefHook View Post
        No one really claims the statistically hardest hitter is the hardest hitter. They are two different things. In fact the two statistical categories offered are two different measurements, and do not represent precisely the same thing.

        The statistical concept is interesting, if only as an alternative viewpoint. Where the concept is doomed to fall shortest is in its neglect of other factors contributing to quick KO's, such as Tyson's amazing speed at producing combination plates. In KO's, accuracy is more than 50% of it. Tyson had superb accuracy. I hate to think how heavy Foreman's hands were when I consider his dismal accuracy yet high, quick percentage. George did not have speed, snap or accuracy, but his punches got people out of there anyway.
        Foreman was heavy handed, but speed is also factor in hitting hard and Tyson put also his body better in behind his punches, technically Tyson was much better puncher than Foreman. Looking the same fighters they beat and watching those fights it's not really debate I think, Tyson hit harder than Foreman.

        Lou Savarese - Foreman 12 rounds no KD, Tyson 1 round KD/O
        Alex Stewart - Foreman 10 rounds 2 KD, Tyson 1 round 3 KD/O
        Mike Jameson - Foreman 4 rounds 2 KD/O, Tyson 5 rounds 2 KD/O
        Mark Young - Foreman 7 rounds 1KD/O, Tyson 1 round 1 KD/O
        David Jaco - Foreman 1 round 3KD/O, Tyson 1 round 3KD/O
        Steve Zouski - Foreman 4 rounds no KD/O, Tyson 3 rounds 1KD/O

        Tyson took 12 rounds to put these fighters away, Foreman 38
        Tyson knocked out with knock downs every one, Foreman failed with Zouski, Stewart and Savarese.

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        • #14
          Lamar Clark 2.0 (90/46)
          Eric Esch (Butterbean) 2.9 (261/91)

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          • #15
            Originally posted by jiopsi View Post
            Foreman was heavy handed, but speed is also factor in hitting hard and Tyson put also his body better in behind his punches, technically Tyson was much better puncher than Foreman. Looking the same fighters they beat and watching those fights it's not really debate I think, Tyson hit harder than Foreman.

            Lou Savarese - Foreman 12 rounds no KD, Tyson 1 round KD/O
            Alex Stewart - Foreman 10 rounds 2 KD, Tyson 1 round 3 KD/O
            Mike Jameson - Foreman 4 rounds 2 KD/O, Tyson 5 rounds 2 KD/O
            Mark Young - Foreman 7 rounds 1KD/O, Tyson 1 round 1 KD/O
            David Jaco - Foreman 1 round 3KD/O, Tyson 1 round 3KD/O
            Steve Zouski - Foreman 4 rounds no KD/O, Tyson 3 rounds 1KD/O

            Tyson took 12 rounds to put these fighters away, Foreman 38
            Tyson knocked out with knock downs every one, Foreman failed with Zouski, Stewart and Savarese.

            Yep you nailed it . I still cant believe ppl try and discount speed and accuracy as though it has no relevance to hitting hard when thats what makes the punch stronger with technique added to it ,someone who already hits hard will have the advantage !

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